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[AussieTitanFan08]

Just now, Starkiller said:

I disagree. It would be pretty damned painful to clear that cap room. 

 

Not really there is a heap of highly paid aging players that could of been cut.

[tgo]

1 minute ago, titaninpgh said:

My argument? You said they pay their players, and I showed they literally let 3 drafted starters walk.
 

I’m absolutely not criticizing Titans for not paying Brown. Maybe this WR market spiraled out of control and they were smart to cut bait. Time will tell whether it was the right decision.

 

All I’m saying is, some of you have never been in a negotiation before and it shows. 

Brown is the first truly good, top notch player the Titans have parted with - but the circumstance was - A) a breakdown in the relationship and B) the contract was untenable for a team with the offensive identity/philosophy of the Titans. 

[Starkiller]

1 minute ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

 

Not really there is a heap of highly paid aging players that could of been cut.

They are going to have to clear cap room even without tagging Brown. I’m talking about clearing millions more on top of that.

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 minutes ago, titaninpgh said:

My argument? You said they pay their players, and I showed they literally let 3 drafted starters walk.
 

I’m absolutely not criticizing Titans for not paying Brown. Maybe this WR market spiraled out of control and they were smart to cut bait. Time will tell whether it was the right decision.

 

All I’m saying is, some of you have never been in a negotiation before and it shows. 

The last line is the funny one. You're trying to do what with it? I don't normally go with the appeal to authority fallacy but when I do I'll go with Jon Robinson having been in more negations in his life than likely your entire family line. Food for thought. 

[Jamalisms]

Apart from just being plain wrong, people who try to insulate Jon Robinson from pushback related to trading AJ Brown by insisting that he was forced into it are ironically removing the true potential credit to the Titans GM, should it work out. It is and has always been about the salary cap and team building. Jon Robinson took a stand on positional value.

 

If it works out, he will deserve credit because trading AJ Brown was a reasoned choice that he made. With strong emphasis on choice.

 

I'll share part of this article by Andrew Brandt again but it highlights some the value considerations that were at play.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/10/aj-brown-trade-wide-receiver-value-business-of-football

 

"The Brown situation, in my opinion, is even more a game-changer than what happened with Kirk, Adams and Hill. Kirk was a free agent; that brings up a different kind of leverage. Adams and Hill have had many years of elevated performance for Super Bowl–contending teams. Brown, however, is neither a free agent nor a player with a long history in the league. His situation is similar to that of Deebo Samuel, an ascending player still in his rookie contract. As the 49ers are doing with Samuel, the Titans could simply not react to any rumbles of discontent from Brown. They both represent great value for their teams: high-performing young players with a year left on an undervalued rookie contract.

 

Brown, unlike Samuel, was able to hit the trifecta: (1) a trade out of Tennessee, (2) a massive new contract at the level of players with much longer histories of production, and (3) a reunion with his old friend Jalen Hurts on a more visible and valuable franchise.

 

Brown’s situation has teams taking notice, and I believe it was a good part of the reason why so many receivers were chosen early in the draft (six of the first 20 picks were wide receivers, and 17 were picked in the first three rounds). Teams are seeing exactly what I have just written about and they’re giving themselves a long window before the players hit their leverage point.

 

The position of wide receiver used to be a low-value position, one where teams would say, You can get always find them, along with running back, linebacker, safety, guard and tight end. Now, wide receiver is becoming more highly valued, due to more open and prolific offenses and, in turn, the financial value accorded to top players at the position. Wideout is approaching the importance of quarterback, left tackle, pass rusher and shutdown cornerback.

 

Team presidents I’ve talked with are keenly aware of this transformation. We have now seen at least three teams—Packers, Chiefs and Titans—take the following strategy: (1) opt out of paying their star receiver at a higher level, (2) trade them for draft picks and cap space, and (3) go young (and cheap) to replace them. After trading away their star receivers, all three teams drafted wide receivers in the first or second round.

 

Christian Watson (Packers), Skyy Moore (Chiefs) and Treylon Burks (Titans) almost certainly won’t rise to the level of Adams, Hill and Brown anytime soon. The acquiring teams—Raiders, Dolphins and Eagles—will clearly receive more on-field value in the short term. But that is just a short-term snapshot, and does not take into account the aspect of financial value.

 

Consider this: Will Adams, Hill and Brown—at roughly $24 million per year—be eight times more valuable than Watson, Moore and Burks at roughly $3 million per year? A fair question can now be asked about which teams are getting the better value. As with almost all things, we will see."

[IsntLifeFunny]

6 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

They were forced to either trade him or risk losing him for nothing next offseason. That’s not a risk they were going to take.

That's what the idiots are griping about. That isn't a forced move and something they could have continued to deal with. 

 

I'm not in disagreement they weren't willing to deal with it, but it wasn't a forced move. They did it because they told AJ and his agent to fuck off and that the team is better off without his bullshit alongside a massive cap hit. 

[tgo]

1 minute ago, titaninpgh said:

$12.5M/yr for Davis ain’t historic money. That’s a borderline bargain for a #2 WR. I still think they were right to let him walk so they could redistribute resources to defense, but that’s a product of cap situation not whether Davis is worth that money. 

I mean - “worth” is relative. Given the other positions the Titans had coming due for big money and the build of the team - Davis wasn’t worth it to the Titans particularly, imo. 
 

Robinson pays positions that are cornerstones of the team - QB, RB, OL in spots, OLB, DL, DB - etc. 
 

It’s an accurate reflection of the team’s philosophy without an elite QB. It just is what it is. 

[Starkiller]

1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

That's what the idiots are griping about. That isn't a forced move and something they could have continued to deal with. 

 

I'm not in disagreement they weren't willing to deal with it, but it wasn't a forced move. They did it because they told AJ and his agent to fuck off and that the team is better off without his bullshit alongside a massive cap hit. 

I don’t agree that that’s not being forced.

[titaninpgh]

2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

The last line is the funny one. You're trying to do what with it? I don't normally go with the appeal to authority fallacy but when I do I'll go with Jon Robinson having been in more negations in his life than likely your entire family line. Food for thought. 

Ah I see, you’re on the side of Jon Robinson and I’m not. You know what he was thinking and I don’t…. And yet none of that is relevant to what I’m arguing. 

 

I’m arguing against people who think AJB forced this by “breaking off communication” and requesting a trade. I think it’s way more likely that Robinson knew the range that the eventual contract would be in and balked. If you want to find me your article that says Robinson offered him the Eagles contract, then go for it. 

[titaninpgh]

5 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

people who try to insulate Jon Robinson from pushback related to trading AJ Brown by insisting that he was forced into it are ironically removing the true potential credit to the Titans GM, should it work out. It is and has always been about the salary cap and team building. Jon Robinson took a stand on positional value.

This. @IsntLifeFunny

[IsntLifeFunny]

3 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

Apart from just being plain wrong, people who try to insulate Jon Robinson from pushback related to trading AJ Brown by insisting that he was forced into it are ironically removing the true potential credit to the Titans GM, should it work out. It is and has always been about the salary cap and team building. Jon Robinson took a stand on positional value.

 

If it works out, he will deserve credit because trading AJ Brown was a reasoned choice that he made. With strong emphasis on choice.

 

I'll share part of this article by Andrew Brandt again but it highlights some the value considerations that were at play.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/10/aj-brown-trade-wide-receiver-value-business-of-football

 

"The Brown situation, in my opinion, is even more a game-changer than what happened with Kirk, Adams and Hill. Kirk was a free agent; that brings up a different kind of leverage. Adams and Hill have had many years of elevated performance for Super Bowl–contending teams. Brown, however, is neither a free agent nor a player with a long history in the league. His situation is similar to that of Deebo Samuel, an ascending player still in his rookie contract. As the 49ers are doing with Samuel, the Titans could simply not react to any rumbles of discontent from Brown. They both represent great value for their teams: high-performing young players with a year left on an undervalued rookie contract.

 

Brown, unlike Samuel, was able to hit the trifecta: (1) a trade out of Tennessee, (2) a massive new contract at the level of players with much longer histories of production, and (3) a reunion with his old friend Jalen Hurts on a more visible and valuable franchise.

 

Brown’s situation has teams taking notice, and I believe it was a good part of the reason why so many receivers were chosen early in the draft (six of the first 20 picks were wide receivers, and 17 were picked in the first three rounds). Teams are seeing exactly what I have just written about and they’re giving themselves a long window before the players hit their leverage point.

 

The position of wide receiver used to be a low-value position, one where teams would say, You can get always find them, along with running back, linebacker, safety, guard and tight end. Now, wide receiver is becoming more highly valued, due to more open and prolific offenses and, in turn, the financial value accorded to top players at the position. Wideout is approaching the importance of quarterback, left tackle, pass rusher and shutdown cornerback.

 

Team presidents I’ve talked with are keenly aware of this transformation. We have now seen at least three teams—Packers, Chiefs and Titans—take the following strategy: (1) opt out of paying their star receiver at a higher level, (2) trade them for draft picks and cap space, and (3) go young (and cheap) to replace them. After trading away their star receivers, all three teams drafted wide receivers in the first or second round.

 

Christian Watson (Packers), Skyy Moore (Chiefs) and Treylon Burks (Titans) almost certainly won’t rise to the level of Adams, Hill and Brown anytime soon. The acquiring teams—Raiders, Dolphins and Eagles—will clearly receive more on-field value in the short term. But that is just a short-term snapshot, and does not take into account the aspect of financial value.

 

Consider this: Will Adams, Hill and Brown—at roughly $24 million per year—be eight times more valuable than Watson, Moore and Burks at roughly $3 million per year? A fair question can now be asked about which teams are getting the better value. As with almost all things, we will see."

It's always been interesting to me that through the vitriol an bullshit, some and oftentimes a lot aimed at one another, we agree. 

 

Acting as if this was forced isn't relevant and didn't happen. Acting as if it was forced only makes Robinson look worse. It was a calculated move that regardless of circumstances or agreement was made with the idea the Titans would be better off without AJ Brown than with him. 

[tgo]

@Jamalisms - I will definitely find ways to both insulate Robinson from the decision and also give him credit for the Burks move (but only if it works out) 

[AussieTitanFan08]

1 minute ago, Starkiller said:

They are going to have to clear cap room even without tagging Brown. I’m talking about clearing millions more on top of that.

 

Lewan $14.8 million

Woods $13.75 million

Henry $12.5 million

Cunningham $9.25 million

Autry $7.25 million

 

Post June 1st Designation

Dupree $15.75 million

Tannehill $27 million

 

The first year of any Brown extension would of had only a minimal cap hit.

[rns90]

1 minute ago, titaninpgh said:

I’m arguing against people who think AJB forced this by “breaking off communication” and requesting a trade. I think it’s way more likely that Robinson knew the range that the eventual contract would be in and balked. If you want to find me your article that says Robinson offered him the Eagles contract, then go for it. 

This isn't totally accurate.  What Brown did was also ask for a higher amount from the Titans than whatever he ended up signing for  with the Eagles.

 

Add that into the fact, that he (JROB) got what he thought was an adequate trade offer/comp from the Eagles and it was an easier decision for him.

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 minute ago, titaninpgh said:

This. @IsntLifeFunny

Read my last quote. I'm not insulating Robinson. I'm saying directly he wasn't forced to do this. The results will speak for themselves. 

 

I don't think Robinson wanted it to go this way, but when it did he said fuck it and thought it was no longer the right move to keep him on the team. It's definitely the biggest move he's made as a GM.