Invasion of Ukraine: Drone Incursion Into Poland

[Starkiller]

4 minutes ago, reo said:

 

It's a threat to say other systems and utilities in Europe can be targeted in the same manner.

[begooode]

47 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

Let's hope this Titan performs better than ours in the second half of the war, whenever that is.

[tgo]

 

[reo]

Since I haven't seen it voiced, what Putin is trying to do by annexing parts of Ukraine are a couple things.

 

1) Most obviously, if these territories are considered Russia then by Russian law, he can legally use nukes to defend those territories. This is really more of a bargaining tool.

2) He can legally immediately send conscripts to those regions.

 

This not only allows him to send reinforcements to his troops, it also creates a semi-credible way to threaten the EU/NATO w/ nukes. 

 

He wants the EU/NATO to get Ukraine to sue for peace and to allow him to keep what he's already taken like they did w/ Crimea. 

 

He's trying to buy time. That would allow him to opportunity to consolidate those gains and rebuild his army... so when he's ready, he could attack again preferably w/ more favorable parties in power in the west.. which incidentally is also what he's hoping to do by cutting oil to Europe. He's betting once people start feeling those cuts, they'll vote out the current leaders and allow for favorable parties to be in power by the time he's rebuilt.

 

 

Ukraine is doing well but this ain't over. The coming elections will be huge. Ukraine needs to continue to make gains before winter really sets in and they need arms and supplies in place in case less favorable parties are in power and that aid slows next year.

[Starkiller]

27 minutes ago, reo said:

Since I haven't seen it voiced, what Putin is trying to do by annexing parts of Ukraine are a couple things.

 

1) Most obviously, if these territories are considered Russia then by Russian law, he can legally use nukes to defend those territories. This is really more of a bargaining tool.

2) He can legally immediately send conscripts to those regions.

 

This not only allows him to send reinforcements to his troops, it also creates a semi-credible way to threaten the EU/NATO w/ nukes. 

 

He wants the EU/NATO to get Ukraine to sue for peace and to allow him to keep what he's already taken like they did w/ Crimea. 

 

He's trying to buy time. That would allow him to opportunity to consolidate those gains and rebuild his army... so when he's ready, he could attack again preferably w/ more favorable parties in power in the west.. which incidentally is also what he's hoping to do by cutting oil to Europe. He's betting once people start feeling those cuts, they'll vote out the current leaders and allow for favorable parties to be in power by the time he's rebuilt.

 

 

Ukraine is doing well but this ain't over. The coming elections will be huge. Ukraine needs to continue to make gains before winter really sets in and they need arms and supplies in place in case less favorable parties are in power and that aid slows next year.

There’s plenty of evidence to show that Putin is willing to send troops to those regions whether it was “legally” part of Ukraine or not.
 

And there’s no law, Russian or otherwise, that will excuse Putin's use of nuclear weapons in any way. He can defend it in any way he wants, but NATO is not going to just sit back and accept it.

[reo]

7 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

There’s plenty of evidence to show that Putin is willing to send troops to those regions whether it was “legally” part of Ukraine or not.
 

And there’s no law, Russian or otherwise, that will excuse Putin's use of nuclear weapons in any way. He can defend it in any way he wants, but NATO is not going to just sit back and accept it.

 

He doesn't care about international law. He cares about a popular uprising which is why he wants to find Russian laws to support things he wants to do. 

[Starkiller]

28 minutes ago, reo said:

He doesn't care about international law. He cares about a popular uprising which is why he wants to find Russian laws to support things he wants to do. 

Honestly, he changes any Russian law he doesn’t like and will lie to the Russian people if that’s all it takes to con the people into being on his side if that’s all it takes to avoid a popular uprising.

[reo]

14 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

Honestly, he changes any Russian law he doesn’t like and will lie to the Russian people if that’s all it takes to con the people into being on his side if that’s all it takes to avoid a popular uprising.

 

It's not that easy. Those things take time which he doesn't have.

[IsntLifeFunny]

4 hours ago, reo said:

Since I haven't seen it voiced, what Putin is trying to do by annexing parts of Ukraine are a couple things.

 

1) Most obviously, if these territories are considered Russia then by Russian law, he can legally use nukes to defend those territories. This is really more of a bargaining tool.

2) He can legally immediately send conscripts to those regions.

 

This not only allows him to send reinforcements to his troops, it also creates a semi-credible way to threaten the EU/NATO w/ nukes. 

 

He wants the EU/NATO to get Ukraine to sue for peace and to allow him to keep what he's already taken like they did w/ Crimea. 

 

He's trying to buy time. That would allow him to opportunity to consolidate those gains and rebuild his army... so when he's ready, he could attack again preferably w/ more favorable parties in power in the west.. which incidentally is also what he's hoping to do by cutting oil to Europe. He's betting once people start feeling those cuts, they'll vote out the current leaders and allow for favorable parties to be in power by the time he's rebuilt.

 

 

Ukraine is doing well but this ain't over. The coming elections will be huge. Ukraine needs to continue to make gains before winter really sets in and they need arms and supplies in place in case less favorable parties are in power and that aid slows next year.

I saw an interesting video the other day that Russia has always fought wars like this where they use their first offensive as more of a tactical feeling out maneuver unlike the US that goes full on destruction with the intent of taking over within the first theater. They regroup and pinpoint weaknesses and exploit them with overwhelming manpower. 

 

 

[tgo]

 

[reo]

8 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

 

Interesting. Sounds like the US is definitely taking the threat/possibility seriously. 

[pat]

18 hours ago, begooode said:

 

The precise number of casualties will be questioned, but the magnitude is not.  Now with the Russian reservists getting called up and attacking a well-defensed and experienced Ukrainian army who has superior weapons, tactics, leadership and intel.... Capt Obvious here, but it sure looks like Russia is about to lose a whole helluva lot more men to Putin's war. 

The darkest part of this whole war is that even in a loss Russian Army serves as a tool for the ethnic cleansing of “Russian” citizens.  Putin doesn’t care if all the Crimean Tartars get killed.

[tgo]

 

[reo]

21 minutes ago, pat said:

The darkest part of this whole war is that even in a loss Russian Army serves as a tool for the ethnic cleansing of “Russian” citizens.  Putin doesn’t care if all the Crimean Tartars get killed.

 

Putin doesn't care if all the Russians are killed. He just wants the expand Russian control. Actually i'd say if he's able to conscript protesters and send them to war, he's actually pretty happy about it.

[tgo]

23 minutes ago, pat said:

The darkest part of this whole war is that even in a loss Russian Army serves as a tool for the ethnic cleansing of “Russian” citizens.  Putin doesn’t care if all the Crimean Tartars get killed.

 

Right, places like Crimea / Dagestan / Siberia are having minorities rounded up and sent away to die at an epic clip. The Imperial Russians are basically committing genocide on both ends of this war. 

 

Ukrainian armed forces have already taken mobilized troops in as POWs btw - it was about a week from mobilization to casualty status for them. 

Edited September 29, 2022 by tgo