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VaTitan Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, OzTitan said: If he is after Putin then I think it would be a long and protracted effort, probably resulting in taking and holding a strategic region and playing the long game. He is not calling him by name but he is 100% after Putin. He is distablizing the country and going to cost them the War. Putn is either terminally ill or scared shitless…..,the fact he hasent spoken publicly shows how weak he is…. Trump was equally silent during 1/6….these 2 are so much alike. MadMax, and reo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, VaTitan said: He is not calling him by name but he is 100% after Putin. He is distablizing the country and going to cost them the War. Putn is either terminally ill or scared shitless…..,the fact he hasent spoken publicly shows how weak he is…. Trump was equally silent during 1/6….these 2 are so much alike. It's very possible he's already fled the country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, OzTitan said: It seems more likely that Prigozhin has ambitions for power in the current structure rather than a full blown coup on Putin. He seems more critical of the senior military people than Putin himself. If he is after Putin then I think it would be a long and protracted effort, probably resulting in taking and holding a strategic region and playing the long game. He is directly attacking the Russian military. If I’m Putin, there’s no way I’d let Prigozhin live. He’s way too big of a threat if he can attack (and defeat) the Russian military. Prigozhin would hold all the military power in that relationship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, reo said: It's very possible he's already fled the country. Or in a bunker somewhere. Not sure what country he’d flee to. If he loses Russia he loses everything. Edited June 24, 2023 by Starkiller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 29 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Republicans are going to be PISSED that the coup happened there instead of here… Honestly though, I could see a Russian coup give a bunch of right wing nuts the idea to try the same here. I know it sounds crazy, but they are crazy. The repub base is going to be crazy pissed off that their undercover icon, Putin, looks so weak. Again, I’ve never seen a world leader so feared, so revered fall from his/her global standing so quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, begooode said: The repub base is going to be crazy pissed off that their undercover icon, Putin, looks so weak. Again, I’ve never seen a world leader so feared, so revered fall from his/her global standing so quickly. Putin could still end up on top after this coup (or whatever it is). And if he does, he might become an even bigger threat as he tries to tries to regain control of the country. He would be brutal. Edited June 24, 2023 by Starkiller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Putin could still end up on top after this coup (or whoever it is). And if he does, he might become an even bigger threat as he tries to tries to regain control of the country. He would be brutal. only if Putin takes out Prigozhin. He cannot enter into any sort of power sharing arrangement without diminishing his standing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Or in a bunker somewhere. Not sure what country he’d flee to. If he loses Russia he loses everything. Money solves a lot of problems. begooode, and chef 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 53 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Republicans are going to be PISSED that the coup happened there instead of here… Honestly though, I could see a Russian coup give a bunch of right wing nuts the idea to try the same here. I know it sounds crazy, but they are crazy. GIVE??!? Pretty sure they already possessed that idea in full well before this. Like some of the Jan 6 interviews coming out of trials - some felt duped by Trump, others thought it didn't go far enough and is definitely not over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, reo said: 1) They won't be. It'll turn into a civil war. And then they'll spend years trying to consolidate power as multiple other warlords start popping up. There are other mercenary companies in Russia, primarily run by oil companies and oligarchs. 2) Putin is the problem atm. He wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. He sees it as his legacy. Prigozhin doesn't. He just wants power. It's why Putin was pushing for Ukraine and trying to make Belarus and other countries into essentially vassal states w/ strong man figureheads loyal to him and why Putin has been spreading disinformation and discontent in supporting strong men in other countries as well. He did it in Belarus. He did it w/ the Ukrainian dictator who was thrown out and fled to Russia. I think he did it w/ Erdogan and other countries. He wanted to break apart the European Union and I think his disinformation was largely behind Brexit and other things like Q and Trump. Granted Prigozhin handles the bot and troll farms so he knows some of that too.. he just doesn't have the same designs and goals as Putin. Putin is currently the problem. Could Wagner be a problem down the road? Maybe. Prigozhin is a monster. But at the very least, this would get Russia out of Ukraine. Then they would join Nato and the war would be over for now. I’m inclined to agree regarding Prigozhin’s worldview. His Wagner outfit was a sprawling geopolitical enterprise extracting significant wealth from troubled countries around the world, specifically Africa, with their brutal paramilitary nation-building activities. Now he’s experienced war scale death “for free”, and is in open conflict with a military he considers inferior, while getting pushed out of Putin’s palace court. It was likely to end badly when the war in Ukraine started going to shit, but I thought it would be a handful of guys mysteriously falling from buildings. Edited June 24, 2023 by begooode reo, and Starkiller 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 US gonna us… once again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, reo said: Money solves a lot of problems. Well I don’t know where he is going to go, money or not, if he’s a wanted war criminal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, begooode said: only if Putin takes out Prigozhin. He cannot enter into any sort of power sharing arrangement without diminishing his standing. Oh, there’s no power sharing there. They would see each other as a threat. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, chef said: GIVE??!? Pretty sure they already possessed that idea in full well before this. Like some of the Jan 6 interviews coming out of trials - some felt duped by Trump, others thought it didn't go far enough and is definitely not over. Yeah but this may prompt some of them to think now is the time to take action Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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