luvyablue256 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: Putin and Trump both going down at the same time Not sure about the guy attempting to wrestle control from Putin, but if he's not a bigot goon like Putin, the biggest thing here is Trump has one less country to flee to. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luvyablue256 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 Really wonder if our people infiltrated this group. Per Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group The Wagner Group, also known as PMC Wagner, is a Russian paramilitary organization. It is seen as a private military company (PMC), a network of mercenaries, or a de facto private army of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The group operates beyond the law in Russia, where private military companies are officially forbidden. Because it operates in support of Russian interests, receives equipment from the Russian Ministry of Defence (MoD) and uses MoD installations for training, the Wagner Group is said to be a de facto unit of the MoD or Russia's military intelligence agency, the GRU.[59] While the Wagner Group itself is not ideologically driven,[60][61] various elements of Wagner have been linked to neo-Nazism and far-right extremism. tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nine Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 21 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: Not sure about the guy attempting to wrestle control from Putin, but if he's not a bigot goon like Putin, the biggest thing here is Trump has one less country to flee to. Nahhh….Trump would never leave the US where he has millions of adoring fans who literally worship him and hang on his every word ; in any other country he’d soon become little more than a local oddity…a washed-up former POTUS in exile who wouldn’t even make local news broadcasts after the first six months. With his compulsive need for attention, I truly think he’d choose to be an incarcerated celebrity martyr before being a forgotten and irrelevant has-been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, nine said: Nahhh….Trump would never leave the US where he has millions of adoring fans who literally worship him and hang on his every word ; in any other country he’d soon become little more than a local oddity…a washed-up former POTUS in exile who wouldn’t even make local news broadcasts after the first six months. With his compulsive need for attention, I truly think he’d choose to be an incarcerated celebrity martyr before being a forgotten and irrelevant has-been. He'll off himself before he spends a day in prison! I expect him to attempt to flee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VaTitan Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, tgo said: until now I understood Putin staying silent, after all Prigozin was intentially not calling him out. At this point it would be really odd if Putin does not address this publicly. reo, and tgo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 Wagner is the problem. It's not good for them to be out of control. Russia in disarray is one thing. Russia united behind a open warlord is something else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF_Titan Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, VaTitan said: At this point it would be really odd if Putin does not address this publicly. Putin's main concern now is staying alive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaTitan Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, TF_Titan said: Putin's main concern now is staying alive. I wonder if his health is even worse now? Could that be why they are acting out like this now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Grain of Salt re: these tweets Edited June 24, 2023 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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reo Posted June 24, 2023 Report Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, pat said: Wagner is the problem. It's not good for them to be out of control. Russia in disarray is one thing. Russia united behind a open warlord is something else. 1) They won't be. It'll turn into a civil war. And then they'll spend years trying to consolidate power as multiple other warlords start popping up. There are other mercenary companies in Russia, primarily run by oil companies and oligarchs. 2) Putin is the problem atm. He wants to rebuild the Soviet Union. He sees it as his legacy. Prigozhin doesn't. He just wants power. It's why Putin was pushing for Ukraine and trying to make Belarus and other countries into essentially vassal states w/ strong man figureheads loyal to him and why Putin has been spreading disinformation and discontent in supporting strong men in other countries as well. He did it in Belarus. He did it w/ the Ukrainian dictator who was thrown out and fled to Russia. I think he did it w/ Erdogan and other countries. He wanted to break apart the European Union and I think his disinformation was largely behind Brexit and other things like Q and Trump. Granted Prigozhin handles the bot and troll farms so he knows some of that too.. he just doesn't have the same designs and goals as Putin. Putin is currently the problem. Could Wagner be a problem down the road? Maybe. Prigozhin is a monster. But at the very least, this would get Russia out of Ukraine. Then they would join Nato and the war would be over for now. Edited June 24, 2023 by reo tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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