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6 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

This is so much like the Covid briefings. I 100% believe the Trump covid briefings cost Trump the 2020 election. 

 

Trump says a ton of stupid stuff, it's baked in. He also trolls a lot and it makes it easy for his supporters to defend or claim he was "owning libs". You'll often see his supporters claim any criticism is TDS. Also because of strong guard rails some of the stupid stuff Trump says or does doesn't end up as bad as it seems it will. 

 

Like the Covid briefings we're witnessing what a moron Trump is and the actual repercussions. There is no way to defend it(aside from moronic clowns). 

 

The president is in the real spotlight a few times during a term. Most people don't follow politics. 

 

This along with the handling of covid shows what a total imbecile Trump is and so unworthy to be president. Which of course plenty of other stuff does as well but these instances make it impossible for anyone to ignore/admit. 

 

 


 

Years of constant exposure to Trump’s never-ending fountain of non-reality and mind-numbing stupidity have effectively normalized his behavior.    

 

Not only are we no longer surprised by it….we’ve actually come to expect it of him and have largely desensitized ourselves to how incredibly fucked-up it truly is.  

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Just now, tgo said:

 

I was gaming this out in my mind the other day. Trump is such a fucking moron and so are the rest of these idiots. If the goal was internal overthrow then why did we wait until they had massacred 30k of the resistance and it had been put down? The protests that rocked the country were the largest since before the fall of the Shah. If you were going to make a move you coordinate heavily with all of these groups and then make the push. 

 

Instead, we waited until after the protest had been quelled then started off the entire show by bombing a girl's school. Excellent work! Idiots. 

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Reporter: Are you afraid Iran will turn into the next Vietnam if you deploy troops? 

 

Trump: I'm not afraid of anything. 

 

I'm sure his idiots will see this as strength when really it is psychopathy. Of course he isn't afraid. He has no skin in the game and everything to him is a transaction. Think of the psychology behind that response. There's no frontal cortex firing right there to think carefully. Only the lizard brain f defense of ego. 

 

That motherfucker that missed his shot did the world a huge tragedy. He shouldn't have taken it in the first place, but what has come from it is an unleashed monster with the backing of God. 

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5 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I was gaming this out in my mind the other day. Trump is such a fucking moron and so are the rest of these idiots. If the goal was internal overthrow then why did we wait until they had massacred 30k of the resistance and it had been put down? The protests that rocked the country were the largest since before the fall of the Shah. If you were going to make a move you coordinate heavily with all of these groups and then make the push. 

 

Instead, we waited until after the protest had been quelled then started off the entire show by bombing a girl's school. Excellent work! Idiots. 


Right - exactly. The time to act was then.  Instead we hung them out to dry and the resistance got massacred. 
 

Netanyahu and Trump do not care about the Iranian people though, they just care about Iran being a failed state and exacting “revenge” (I’m sure that will work out swimmingly between giving China/Russia more control and the massive increase in terrorism). 

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9 minutes ago, Titandan said:

Freedom soon?  Hope for as little blood shed as possible...

 

 

 

 

Eleven days from now there will be a thousands times more US citizens in the streets than this.  No Kings!

 

 

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7 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

It's now been proven that taking out the leaders isn't helping. They're decentralized and had over a year to put together redundancy plans. Good riddance to a guy I'm sure is a real piece of work, but it simply does nothing to further the cause we don't even understand because it's been a moving target since day one. 

 

Regime change? Not happening. We failed to help the protestors, we've allowed their Internet to stay dark so we haven't even been communicating with those who could force change. The Kurds are rightfully wary of engagement and are saying they want security guarantees we can't give them. Internal uprising is simply put an absolute pipe dream. 

 

So, we have Libya situation or retrenchment. That's it. Those are the options. And judging by Iran making those types of demands...those are not consolations from a regime scared or wary of American power. They know that every leader you take out you've successfully martyred. 

 

Anyone who thinks there's an easy way out of this is a moron like Dan. There's no off-ramps because this administration is so fucking hapless they can't even form a cohesive message as to where negotiations would begin in the first place. Witkoff back channels to Iran without signoff is just as amateurish as it gets. They don't trust us, and they're right not to trust us, so the regime has zero reason to negotiate either. We literally started this war while in high level multilateral negotiations.  

 

So, they have no reason to open direct talks, while back channels take a long time to work, and no one on earth thinks Trump can contain himself long enough for that to work.

 

Iran has already shown the ability to selectively target oil tankers. If you take out there oil infrastructure they collapse and then you have Libya times 10. These are the only outcomes left without Trump backing down and China overseeing a ceasefire.

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1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

It's now been proven that taking out the leaders isn't helping. They're decentralized and had over a year to put together redundancy plans. Good riddance to a guy I'm sure is a real piece of work, but it simply does nothing to further the cause we don't even understand because it's been a moving target since day one. 

 

Regime change? Not happening. We failed to help the protestors, we've allowed their Internet to stay dark so we haven't even been communicating with those who could force change. The Kurds are rightfully wary of engagement and are saying they want security guarantees we can't give them. Internal uprising is simply put an absolute pipe dream. 

 

So, we have Libya situation or retrenchment. That's it. Those are the options. And judging by Iran making those types of demands...those are not consolations from a regime scared or wary of American power. They know that every leader you take out you've successfully martyred. 

 

Anyone who thinks there's an easy way out of this is a moron like Dan. There's no off-ramps because this administration is so fucking hapless they can't even form a cohesive message as to where negotiations would begin in the first place. Witkoff back channels to Iran without signoff is just as amateurish as it gets. They don't trust us, and they're right not to trust us, so the regime has zero reason to negotiate either. We literally started this war while in high level multilateral negotiations.  

 

So, they have no reason to open direct talks, while back channels take a long time to work, and no one on earth thinks Trump can contain himself long enough for that to work.

 

Iran has already shown the ability to selectively target oil tankers. If you take out there oil infrastructure they collapse and then you have Libya times 10. These are the only outcomes left without Trump backing down and China overseeing a ceasefire.

 

It's interesting - Larijani was the preferred successor to the Ayatollah by the Trump admin as recently as last Fall. Then of course he was the leading architect of the operation to putdown the protests and massacre thousands. Glad he's dead, but funny enough, he was one of the more moderate types in that government when it comes to Western relations. 

 

Now we're going to end up with Alireza Arafi or some other next level extremist cleric. 

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