luvyablue256 Posted December 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) My issue is don't dangle this carrot during a campaign then backtrack after you win election. There's merit to canceling debt, especially on certain income levels. And I'd bet there's a bipartisan path to some kind of separate legislation that curtails the exorbitant cost. I still dont know why this wasn't something apart of the BBB plan. And not extending the pause on payments is absolutely going to hurt us in the midterms and give all the flighty folks the ammo to spew the "both parties same" silliness and sit out midterms. But these are the punches we leave ourselves open to... Edited December 13, 2021 by luvyablue256 WG53 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 I have student loan debt from my masters degree, and while I would love for it to just go away, I don't think it is fair to the average taxpayer to have to cover the cost of my professional education or anyone else's. That said, the one way I could see it making sense is with higher education reform - with state schools becoming tuition free and any state school debt being wiped out in accordance with that. I think that's a ways off though. I definitely don't think a firefighter or union electrician should be paying for someone's 200k in student loan debt from getting their degree in History of Medieval Art or Anthropology or Women's Social Studies or whatever. This entitlement philosophy where young people think that not only should the Education Department be subsidizing their education at the budget level, but also paying in full for their useless bullshit degrees and their room/board/transportation costs, when the degree has no ROI either financially or for society at large is pretty crazy. But you should definitely be able to go to school tuition free by serving in the military or being a teacher or maybe serving in the Peace Corps or something like that. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 And that is the perfect example, when mixed with the motherfuckers and other elitist shit, as to why the Democratic establishment is gonna watch itself get absolutely bodied and then be confused as to how it could have happened. WG53 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted December 13, 2021 Report Share Posted December 13, 2021 A real problem here is that people treat college as if it is job training. It isn't. It is higher learning. That is all it has ever been. Only for certain professions has it ever been actual job training, but it has been pushed onto us since we were young that we must go to college if we want a good life. Nowadays a lot of professions do require a degree. luvyablue256, and Jerry Blair 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 10 hours ago, luvyablue256 said: My issue is don't dangle this carrot during a campaign then backtrack after you win election. This is the issue. Regardless of whether you agree it was something that was dangled IsntLifeFunny, and luvyablue256 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 The real issue is why is tuition so out of control? Any plans to forgive loans or pay (guarantee) for tuition will just make tuition skyrocket since schools will look at it as money from heaven. And endowments have grown tremendously. People talk about price gouging during crisis but the real gougers are the universities and grad schools... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, El Guapo said: The real issue is why is tuition so out of control? Any plans to forgive loans or pay (guarantee) for tuition will just make tuition skyrocket since schools will look at it as money from heaven. And endowments have grown tremendously. People talk about price gouging during crisis but the real gougers are the universities and grad schools... It skyrocketed under Bush as they deregulated for profit colleges. https://tcf.org/content/report/gop-reversal-profit-colleges-george-w-bush-era/ Jerry Blair 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 3 hours ago, OILERMAN said: This is the issue. Regardless of whether you agree it was something that was dangled https://www.npr.org/2021/12/07/1062070001/student-loan-forgiveness-debt-president-biden-campaign-promise OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 3 hours ago, WG53 said: It skyrocketed under Bush as they deregulated for profit colleges. https://tcf.org/content/report/gop-reversal-profit-colleges-george-w-bush-era/ It doesnt matter when it started. Not trying to score political points. Tuition is astronomical and it will get worse if tuition is written off and paid for by the government, which is really the taxpayers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, El Guapo said: It doesnt matter when it started. Not trying to score political points. Tuition is astronomical and it will get worse if tuition is written off and paid for by the government, which is really the taxpayers. It's already paid by the taxpayers on the front end. State taxes fund state universities and their exorbitant faculty & administrators. Read these: https://lagniappemobile.com/the-fabulous-lives-of-the-ua-board-of-trustees/ https://lagniappemobile.com/ex-vice-president-says-ua-system-office-pushed-flowers-hire/ Full series: https://lagniappemobile.com/serial/university-of-alabama-system/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 2 hours ago, luvyablue256 said: https://www.npr.org/2021/12/07/1062070001/student-loan-forgiveness-debt-president-biden-campaign-promise Pretty even-handed, in typical NPR fashion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 50 minutes ago, El Guapo said: It doesnt matter when it started. Not trying to score political points. Tuition is astronomical and it will get worse if tuition is written off and paid for by the government, which is really the taxpayers. I wasn't pointing out that it skyrocketed under Bush because of Republican versus Democrat thing as both parties are about equally responsible for issues regarding tuition skyrocketing over the years. El Guapo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted December 14, 2021 Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, luvyablue256 said: It's already paid by the taxpayers on the front end. State taxes fund state universities and their exorbitant faculty & administrators. Read these: https://lagniappemobile.com/the-fabulous-lives-of-the-ua-board-of-trustees/ https://lagniappemobile.com/ex-vice-president-says-ua-system-office-pushed-flowers-hire/ Full series: https://lagniappemobile.com/serial/university-of-alabama-system/ Many who are tenured and never actually teach TitansPDO, luvyablue256, and IsntLifeFunny 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted December 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Many who are tenured and never actually teach They're basically padding university coffers with research contracts. Edited December 14, 2021 by luvyablue256 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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