oldschool Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 1 minute ago, Mythos27 said: Most people understand this at this point. The ones who don't never will. Please. That post has nothing to do with progressive vs moderate candidates. Everyone agrees they need better messaging and candidates who speak to the masses. Those aren't ideological traits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 17 minutes ago, oldschool said: They are just blind and never learn the lessons voters teach them cycle after cycle. We live in a right of center country whether they like it or not. I think it’s probably center-left in terms of economics and def center right in terms of social issues. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 (edited) 5 minutes ago, rns90 said: I think it’s probably center-left in terms of economics and def center right in terms of social issues. Republicans are always going to campaign on social issues because it easy for them to just say “trans” or “gay marriage” or “abortion” and throw a political grenade in the room. Moderates don’t have to fly a pride flag 24/7 but they also need to generally support people’s rights if they want to get any support among liberal voters. Edited November 5 by Starkiller Mythos27, and MadMax 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 1 hour ago, oldschool said: facts 2 hours ago, Jamalisms said: Also took down the establishment of his own party at the same time. Mamdani received no support from his own party and endured active friendly fire as he beat a well-funded "independent" (Democrat) challenger. This wasn't just democrat versus Republican. The Republican in the race was an afterthought. It was a a youthful, energetic populist message against mealy-mouthed moderates stabbing him in the back the entire time. Pretty funny to see the spin up-thread. Deliberate delusion. Pretty good case in point. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 1 hour ago, Mythos27 said: It's interesting how quickly the moderates start to sound indistinguishable from conservatives when it comes to attacking progressives. Moderate democrats profess to believe in a bunch of stuff until someone unapologetically runs on a platform that includes those things and seems serious about it. Democrats are constantly apologizing for and running away from the things that actually excite people and are then shocked when the public can smell the weakness. Over the last few years I've started to understand the appeal of Trump and the MAGA wing. At least they move unapologetically and with conviction in the horrendous things they believe. That conviction is what many people mis-interpret as being genuine. Democrats have to stop running scared. That's why it's been easy for the right to paint us as a party of pussies. I'm not saying every democrat needs to be Mamdani but they need to run with conviction and an economically populist message. That's the bare minimum going forward. I've said it before and I'll say it again - The only thing moderates Democrats hate more than conservatives is liberals. Mythos27, MadMax, and WG53 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 Lol progs. The data paints a very different story... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with running against ... another Democrat ... and not only getting no support from his own party but having many of the party leaders actively voicing opposition to him. Maybe the Democrat vote got split and he won anyway? Maybe it's meaningful he got more votes than any mayoral candidate in decades, again - without support? Nah, let's just run with the most disingenuous argument ever ... over and over on repeat until we feel better. Mythos27, WG53, and MadMax 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with running against ... another Democrat ... and not only getting no support from his own party but having many of the party leaders actively voicing opposition to him. Maybe the Democrat vote got split and he won anyway? Maybe it's meaningful he got more votes than any mayoral candidate in decades, again - without support? Nah, let's just run with the most disingenuous argument ever ... over and over on repeat until we feel better. Its funny how out of touch with NY politics you are. Cuomo was persona non grata, He's political career was over whenh e resigned the Governorship in disgrace. he had to run as an Independent with Trump's support. This notion you have that he was the candidate of choice of the dem establishment is absurd. Mamdani under performed Dems everywhere despite having insanely favorable conditions in who he was up against. You can say he ran a good campaign, that he is a good speaker, that his messaging strategy was awesome, etc... but still acknowledge he underperformed which the data easily proves. Anyone who thinks getting 50% of the vote in NYC as an open Democratic Socialist is the blueprint for winning across the country is off their rocker. Nothing could be further from the truth. Edited November 5 by oldschool ctm, Jamalisms, and Mythos27 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 for the record, I don't hate progressives. I just wish they would grow up politically. WG53 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 Comical spin, considering all the money they fed into "persona non grata" and all the effort undertaken to undermine Mamdani throughout. And, yes, the Democrat vote was split. Keep ignoring that. You'll convince yourself soon. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 This Democrat running against another Democrat and a Republican didn't win by as much as the Democrats running against only Republicans. Totally shocking! Of course, he also got more votes than any candidate in decades (absent party support) and the Republican hardly got any support but I'm sure the fact the Democrat vote was split is totally irrelevant! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 1 minute ago, Jamalisms said: Comical spin, considering all the money they fed into "persona non grata" and all the effort undertaken to undermine Mamdani throughout. And, yes, the Democrat vote was split. Keto igniting that. You'll convince yourself soon. You and @Mythos27 might as well be RNC unpaid interns with this stupid ass shit. You are giving them exactly what they want by trying to claim victory for progressives and make Mamdani a national story. Good job. and this is why you need to grow up when it comes to national politics. You will dismiss this too because its from a moderate think tank. https://www.thirdway.org/memo/ten-reasons-why-mamdani-politics-wont-win-outside-of-nyc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 Derp I won't even read it, first because I don't read think-tank propaganda bullshit and second it's just more hate and fear mongering on your part, which is all you ever do ... though transitioning to "progs" instead of crying about "liberals" is new ... and third because the point you tried to make about election margin remains disingenuous and easily dismissed on its face. Democrat votes got split between Mamdani and the guy the party supported and Mamdani won anyway. Keep making bad arguments why it's irrelevant and you'll only highlight how scared you are that it's actually quite relevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted November 5 Author Report Share Posted November 5 I agree the outright socialist tag doesn't play well besides massive cities. There's no way around it. I'd be surprised to see an avowed socialist ever get into statewide office in the foreseeable future. With that said, his tone and messaging is spot on and should be emulated. Take off the socialist tag and someone with his charisma is immediately a national leader. Starkiller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted November 5 Report Share Posted November 5 1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I agree the outright socialist tag doesn't play well besides massive cities. There's no way around it. I'd be surprised to see an avowed socialist ever get into statewide office in the foreseeable future. With that said, his tone and messaging is spot on and should be emulated. Take off the socialist tag and someone with his charisma is immediately a national leader. 1 year is up. Welcome back… Republicans will call any Dem a socialist, so there’s no way to “take off the socialist tag”. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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