Assuming RT continues this play and we extend him... who would you want as OC?

[TerryBoats]

7 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

 

Their offense is ranked higher right now (with Tannehill) than in either 2017 or 2018 in Points Scored....

And GB's offense ranks higher than ours  in 2018 with the same OC.  Offenses with better QBs tend to do better.  It's not like we couldn't do a direct comparison with the same QB and see that the offense was absolutely killing our ability to win games this year while it wasn't nearly the issue in years past.  

 

If we continue to be automatic in the red zone and score enough points to win despite endless 3 and outs and wearing our defense out, then all of the talk about the success we're having on offense will be legit.  But I don't buy that it's sustainable.

[tgo]

Just now, abc2330 said:

And GB's offense ranks higher than ours  in 2018 with the same OC.  Offenses with better QBs tend to do better.  It's not like we couldn't do a direct comparison with the same QB and see that the offense was absolutely killing our ability to win games this year while it wasn't nearly the issue in years past.  

 

If we continue to be automatic in the red zone and score enough points to win despite endless 3 and outs and wearing our defense out, then all of the talk about the success we're having on offense will be legit.  But I don't buy that it's sustainable.

 

Seriously????

 

The offense wasn't hampering our ability to win games last year?

[TerryBoats]

2 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

Seriously????

 

The offense wasn't hampering our ability to win games last year?

We won 9.  We won 2 out of 6 during our easiest stretch of the season and would be 2-8 right now if we started the same QB that we had last year, minus the injury.  The offense held back our ability to win consistently last year.  It prevented us from being able to nearly win at all this year

[BudsOilers]

3 minutes ago, abc2330 said:

And GB's offense ranks higher than ours  in 2018 with the same OC.  Offenses with better QBs tend to do better.  It's not like we couldn't do a direct comparison with the same QB and see that the offense was absolutely killing our ability to win games this year while it wasn't nearly the issue in years past.  

 

If we continue to be automatic in the red zone and score enough points to win despite endless 3 and outs and wearing our defense out, then all of the talk about the success we're having on offense will be legit.  But I don't buy that it's sustainable.

 

GB does has a HOF QB at the helm and MLF had Mariota and Gabbert.  I'm sure that's a small thing.

 

The offense last year was actually worse statistically than in 2017 FWIW. 

[scine09]

Yes, in this scenario the QB performs well.  The solution?  Change the OC!  Makes a lot of sense.

[BudsOilers]

BTW, the Titans had 20 3&outs in the first 6 games.  They've had 8 in the last 4.

[TerryBoats]

38 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

 

GB does has a HOF QB at the helm and MLF had Mariota and Gabbert.  I'm sure that's a small thing.

 

The offense last year was actually worse statistically than in 2017 FWIW. 

I meant that QB makes a difference.  The GB comparison was just hyperbolic.  We didn't have a better QB the past few years than we did the first 6 games, yet those offenses were clearly better.  We were averaging 11 PPG the 5 games before the QB change, which is just horrific no matter who the QB is.

 

The offense is scoring more points, yet we're still bottom 5 in third down conversion the last 3 games and committing far too many penalties.  We can't expect to continue to be perfect in the red zone to overcome this

[Ricky]

But if we are going to draft a QB fairly high and Henry is not resigned then we may not be able to lean on the running game like we have been. Then I think we would need a new OC. Tannehill been around while he could pick it up. But the new QB needs OC that could hopefully stay around for a while. The running game makes our OC look a lot better. He was terrible first part of season. 

[Face]

8 hours ago, tgo said:

 

I bet Todd Downing will have more influence as time goes on with helping Smith as a passing game guy as trust grows between them. 

 

It wouldn't hurt to hire a senior offensive assistant or something too like a Philbin or Caldwell or Callahan or Weis or whoever, but I don't get the feeling that Vrabel favors those kinds of coaching positions. 

 

I think it was you who suggested it but I love the idea of hiring Callahan as OC & maybe giving him an asst HC title, assuming we stick to a zone scheme. After Alex Gibbs he's probably the best teacher of those concepts in the last 25 years. He's also a very good OC as well, the '02 Raiders ran perhaps the best, purest version of the WC offense that I've ever seen.

 

Id also like to promote Todd Downing. He's the perfect example of how easy it is to get lost in the weeds as an NFL coach. JDR let Bill Musgrave in '17 walk after having the 6th rated offense & promted Downing because it was obvious how good he was & numerous other teams were going to offer him OC. But Carr was coming off the leg injury & the team had numerous injuries, unerperformed, and Gruden was brought in. Now the guys our TE coach. Frankly Id prefer to make him the OC right now but I agree we should stick with what is working. 

 

Also, Downing isn't a WC guy, even though he was with Oakland who was. I looked at his prior stops & he literally followed Scott Linehan around for like 8 years. Then sure enough I read an article where he said Linehan is his biggest influence. That's a completely different offense them ours & is really similar to Mularkey.

[tgo]

40 minutes ago, Face said:

 

I think it was you who suggested it but I love the idea of hiring Callahan as OC & maybe giving him an asst HC title, assuming we stick to a zone scheme. After Alex Gibbs he's probably the best teacher of those concepts in the last 25 years. He's also a very good OC as well, the '02 Raiders ran perhaps the best, purest version of the WC offense that I've ever seen.

 

Id also like to promote Todd Downing. He's the perfect example of how easy it is to get lost in the weeds as an NFL coach. JDR let Bill Musgrave in '17 walk after having the 6th rated offense & promted Downing because it was obvious how good he was & numerous other teams were going to offer him OC. But Carr was coming off the leg injury & the team had numerous injuries, unerperformed, and Gruden was brought in. Now the guys our TE coach. Frankly Id prefer to make him the OC right now but I agree we should stick with what is working. 

 

Also, Downing isn't a WC guy, even though he was with Oakland who was. I looked at his prior stops & he literally followed Scott Linehan around for like 8 years. Then sure enough I read an article where he said Linehan is his biggest influence. That's a completely different offense them ours & is really similar to Mularkey.

 

Yeah Downing is certainly a Linehan disciple. 

 

I think the passing concepts under Arthur Smith are more similar to Mularkey than LaFleur if I’m not mistaken.With Downing heavily involved in the pass game, this could explain this further with the Linehan influence and the Mularkey influence.

 

AKA Erhardt Perkins vs WCO. 

 

Arthur Smith’s offense seems to be some mix between the two with outside zone running, pin & pull, and some inside power and inside zone. 

 

Face, isn’t Linehan a zone blocking

guy dating back to even before his Callahan co pairing in Dallas? 

[Callidus]

What about bww, donnie nicky and Michael griffen, all 3 of them could make any passing game great.

[japan]

1 hour ago, tgo said:

 

Yeah Downing is certainly a Linehan disciple. 

Is this a good thing?

[Somedude]

Kitchens

[oldschool]

16 hours ago, tgo said:

 

Arthur Smith isn't the one coaching the OL on the field and coaching in the OL meetings - the OL coach is. 

 

So you could either replace the OL coach, or if we get to the end of the year and are really happy with the run game and the OL are performing well in that arena but not pass pro, then you could bring in someone who is keen on zone pass protection to be the assistant OL coach. Someone who has experience working with Carter like Chris Morgan or a history with Arthur Smith like Hal Hunter who is better on the pass protection side. 

 

Or if they want to keep Carter and Sullivan both, then bring in an OL guy who also has coordinating experience to help out - like Philbin or Callahan or whoever to be a senior offensive assistant. 

 

And in terms of getting skill players involved - I don't understand this obsession with style points. The goal is to have an effective offense that scores more points than the other team. Who cares about which players are scoring the points or "getting involved" as long as the offense is effective and the team is winning. 

 

you really are Jeff Fisher aren't you? You know damn well what the point is about getting the skill players involved...

[reo]

If Tannehill plays well, the only way we change OCs is if we dump him anyway and bring in some big name proven QB that wants to run his offense so we bring in someone that knows it.