japan Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Thrill said: 20 analytics guys asking for 200 k is still less than what Dions Lewis is making right now. I don’t think AAS is that cheap. Cheap is relative in this world. ‘The Bengals paid AJ Green a ton of money. I don’t think they’re cheap!’ Edited October 17, 2019 by japan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) Jrob clearly likes analytics. Its dumb to fixate on the fact the team doesnt have have analytic staff. Did anyone not read how the Patriots do it? The staff is expected to incorporate analytics into their day to day tasks. If they need to they can always outsource it. This is a nonstory. Edited October 17, 2019 by oldschool mctitan53, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) It's a story, it's weird given past statements by Robinson and Vrabel. Competitive advantages are not things to outsource. It doesn't make sense... and smells more like classic Adams family stuff. Edited October 17, 2019 by patsplat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, patsplat said: It's a story, it's weird given past statements by Robinson and Vrabel. Competitive advantages are not things to outsource. It doesn't make sense... and smells more like classic Adams family stuff. You work in tech. Everything is on the table for outsourcing. Again we all know jrob believes in analytics as do the Patriots. Neither have analytic staffs. This is a story grounded in nothing. mctitan53 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, oldschool said: You work in tech. Everything is on the table for outsourcing. Again we all know jrob believes in analytics as do the Patriots. Neither have analytic staffs. This is a story grounded in nothing. Hasn’t he made some poor decisions that would make us think he either doesn’t have or ignores the analytics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, oldschool said: You work in tech. Everything is on the table for outsourcing. Again we all know jrob believes in analytics as do the Patriots. Neither have analytic staffs. This is a story grounded in nothing. There's a quote in Accelerate, a book I'm reading right now: We discovered that low performers were more likely to say that the software they were building -- or the set of services they had to interact with -- was custom software developed by another company (e.g., an outsourcing partner). https://itrevolution.com/book/accelerate/ Strategic capabilities should never be outsourced. Play-calling is pretty important to a football team's success. It's more likely that Robinson and Vrabel consider filling out a framework in Excel to be "analytics." I doubt they are embracing data but not investing in it. Patriots can get away with it because Belichick has more coaching experience than anyone else, especially when you include his childhood as a coach's son. Everybody else could benefit. Edited October 17, 2019 by patsplat titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Seems like we use some analytics but not much and people think we should use more. How that’s a non story isn’t apparent to me. The SI article says we hired two scouting assistants with analytics experience as their evidence we value it. That’s definitely not using it to the extent a lot of teams are. titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, patsplat said: There's a quote in Accelerate, a book I'm reading right now: We discovered that low performers were more likely to say that the software they were building -- or the set of services they had to interact with -- was custom software developed by another company (e.g., an outsourcing partner). https://itrevolution.com/book/accelerate/ Strategic capabilities should never be outsourced. Play-calling is pretty important to a football team's success. It's more likely that Robinson and Vrabel consider filling out a framework in Excel to be "analytics." I doubt they are embracing data but not investing in it. Patriots can get away with it because Belichick has more coaching experience than anyone else, especially when you include his childhood as a coach's son. Everybody else could benefit. Lol. That's an absurd statement. Although I admit I work for a cloud provider so could be biased. As for the rest come on. You are projecting. Jrob has said he believes in analytics and uses them. Just because the team doesnt have some nerd with a title of chief analytics officer doesnt mean the team doesnt embrace the concept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, oldschool said: Lol. That's an absurd statement. Although I admit I work for a cloud provider so could be biased. As for the rest come on. You are projecting. Jrob has said he believes in analytics and uses them. Just because the team doesnt have some nerd with a title of chief analytics officer doesnt mean the team doesnt embrace the concept. The quote (and everything else in the book) comes from data. Note that integration with products, ie third party non custom software, is fine. The book is pretty well researched, and I mention it because you brought up tech. I'm sure JRob gets value out of his spreadsheets but I doubt he's firing up Tensorflow and PySpark. Edited October 17, 2019 by patsplat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, oldschool said: Lol. That's an absurd statement. Although I admit I work for a cloud provider so could be biased. As for the rest come on. You are projecting. Jrob has said he believes in analytics and uses them. Just because the team doesnt have some nerd with a title of chief analytics officer doesnt mean the team doesnt embrace the concept. I think we use some but aren’t embracing it. I think a Bill Barnwell or ESPN article classified us as one foot in or something. They should go ahead and jump in. The water’s fine! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted October 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 21 hours ago, oldschool said: Jrob clearly likes analytics. Its dumb to fixate on the fact the team doesnt have have analytic staff. Did anyone not read how the Patriots do it? The staff is expected to incorporate analytics into their day to day tasks. If they need to they can always outsource it. This is a nonstory. The pats have a savant dedicated on staff to analytics and finding loopholes in the games and rules. teams have game managers in the HCs ear telling them the odds on plays and when to go for it, etc. we either have neither or we do have a manager that Vrabel completely ignores - making him an idiot. its a big story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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