ChesterCopperpot1 Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, Starkiller said: A lot of Bernie supporters (myself included) have shifted to other candidates 4 years later. It’s a totally different dynamic than when it was just him vs Hillary. And Warren shares a lot of his values but is way more electable. Bernie supporters were just Warren supporters before, but when she opted to not run, they slid to Warren. Now that she’s in, a lot have returned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornrow Wallace Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 Being an "actual Democrat" is not admirable for a lot of people. Arguably the most popular president in the history of this country also called himself a democratic socialist. I think Bernie needs to emphasize this more. Warren is not consistent at all - especially on health care lately. She has not and will not fully commit to a single-payer system. She's become the darling of the establishment for a reason; she's willing to play the game. (Also her daughter used to be a health insurance executive before she got into the corporate politics industry) Her non-answers on almost anything regarding foreign policy leave a lot to be desired as well. She was literally a Reagan supporter while Sanders was fighting for the same things then as he is now. I don't believe she will fight for me or the best interests of the American people; she's a fraud. If she ends up being the nominee, all of that will be fully exposed and kill off any of the excitement she's generated, depressing voter turnout and handing the election to Trump. She still hasn't come up with any way to defend herself on this stuff to softball questions from friendly media. Do we really believe that she's going to hold up on a presidential election? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 Bernie’s not winning this. I don’t see a path for him. He’s topped out on his support I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornrow Wallace Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pragidealist said: Bernie’s not winning this. I don’t see a path for him. He’s topped out on his support I think He just hit one million donors faster than any candidate ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 48 minutes ago, Cornrow Wallace said: Being an "actual Democrat" is not admirable for a lot of people. Arguably the most popular president in the history of this country also called himself a democratic socialist. I think Bernie needs to emphasize this more. Warren is not consistent at all - especially on health care lately. She has not and will not fully commit to a single-payer system. She's become the darling of the establishment for a reason; she's willing to play the game. (Also her daughter used to be a health insurance executive before she got into the corporate politics industry) Her non-answers on almost anything regarding foreign policy leave a lot to be desired as well. She was literally a Reagan supporter while Sanders was fighting for the same things then as he is now. I don't believe she will fight for me or the best interests of the American people; she's a fraud. If she ends up being the nominee, all of that will be fully exposed and kill off any of the excitement she's generated, depressing voter turnout and handing the election to Trump. She still hasn't come up with any way to defend herself on this stuff to softball questions from friendly media. Do we really believe that she's going to hold up on a presidential election? Warren has been pretty consistent on Medicare for All, as well as other issues, throughout the campaign. And non-answers are what politicians do. None of them want to be pinned down on tricky issues. She has done a good job of fending off questions she doesn’t want to answer so far without any blowback. We will see if that changes now that she is a front runner. And the fact that she used to be a Republican but became a Democrat could become a strength during the general election if she wins the nomination. But it’s not like Democrats are going to see her as a fake Democrat. She is more liberal than most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, Cornrow Wallace said: He just hit one million donors faster than any candidate ever. I don't care. His polls aren't moving. He has no new appeal. He has the same age issue that Biden has. His time has passed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornrow Wallace Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 38 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Warren has been pretty consistent on Medicare for All, as well as other issues, throughout the campaign. This is just false. Her website didn't even have a health care plan on it until very recently, and now she's got some vague messaging up there. She was evasive after the last debate when questioned about M4A, and suggested that other people have good ideas for health care too. She still hasn't committed to including dental, vision, hearing or mental health care in her plan. She hasn't even really committed to a single-payer system without competing private insurance companies. Everything surrounding her health care policy has been incredibly ambiguous for someone who's supposed to have a plan for everything. Even Biden has made his (bad) plan more clear than Warren has. She'll drop her support for M4A as soon as it's convenient for her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 39 minutes ago, Cornrow Wallace said: This is just false. Her website didn't even have a health care plan on it until very recently, and now she's got some vague messaging up there. She was evasive after the last debate when questioned about M4A, and suggested that other people have good ideas for health care too. She still hasn't committed to including dental, vision, hearing or mental health care in her plan. She hasn't even really committed to a single-payer system without competing private insurance companies. Everything surrounding her health care policy has been incredibly ambiguous for someone who's supposed to have a plan for everything. Even Biden has made his (bad) plan more clear than Warren has. She'll drop her support for M4A as soon as it's convenient for her. So... where has she been inconsistent??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornrow Wallace Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Starkiller said: So... where has she been inconsistent??? Claiming that she supports Medicare 4 All while quietly slithering away from the actual plan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 50 minutes ago, Cornrow Wallace said: Claiming that she supports Medicare 4 All while quietly slithering away from the actual plan Where specifically has she not supported it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Bernie supporters are so god damn annoying. I can't wait for the clown to slither away after the primary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornrow Wallace Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Starkiller said: Where specifically has she not supported it? On her website? https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/health-care Which Medicare for All bill is she in support of? The Senate bill? The House bill? How will it be implemented? What happens to private insurance companies? Are there any premiums? Co-pays? Will dental care be included? Vision? She gives no specifics, and it's clearly not a priority for her right now. I'd love to see her come out with stronger support for it at the next debate (or sooner) - I want to be able to cast a vote for her without holding my nose if she's the nominee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Cornrow Wallace said: On her website? https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/health-care Which Medicare for All bill is she in support of? The Senate bill? The House bill? How will it be implemented? What happens to private insurance companies? Are there any premiums? Co-pays? Will dental care be included? Vision? She gives no specifics, and it's clearly not a priority for her right now. I'd love to see her come out with stronger support for it at the next debate (or sooner) - I want to be able to cast a vote for her without holding my nose if she's the nominee. not giving specifics is not a lack of support or inconsistency. In each and every debate and interview she has supported Medicare for All. Emphatically even. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 It's actually a point in Warren's favor that she isn't likely to waste time and political capital trying in vain to pass Berniecare and then having nothing to show for her first term Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Titans279 said: It's actually a point in Warren's favor that she isn't likely to waste time and political capital trying in vain to pass Berniecare and then having nothing to show for her first term I suspect if she got into office and they could pass a public option but not Medicare for all she would take what she could get instead of holding out and getting nothing. Bernie would probably hold out and not get anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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