Starkiller Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, ctm said: I feel confident that the 20K people who showed up to see her in Washington Square park were all Wall St. types. /s They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred. - FDR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 I kinda like Warren but I'm not convinced that voters will come out for a North Eastern white liberal woman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Titans279 said: I kinda like Warren but I'm not convinced that voters will come out for a North Eastern white liberal woman. All they need is a competent argument. People tend to elect the more charismatic candidate in the general, it’s less about policy. Guys like Kerry and Dukakis could have won if they weren’t so monotone and robotic. Warren doesn’t have that problem. Edited September 18, 2019 by Starkiller oldschool, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Starkiller said: All they need is a competent argument. People tend to elect the more charismatic candidate in the general, it’s less about policy. Guys like Kerry and Dukakis could have won if they weren’t so monotone and robotic. Warren doesn’t have that problem. She can be shrill but has seemed better recently. Charisma was her problem for a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Pragidealist said: She can be shrill but has seemed better recently. Charisma was her problem for a bit She isn’t as charismatic as someone like Booker, but I’d put her charisma well ahead of Biden or Bernie. I'd also, more importantly, put her level of charisma ahead of Hillary's. Separately, she speaks more like a Midwesterner, which I think will benefit her in a campaign. She grew up in Oklahoma and you can hear it sometimes and it won’t come off as inauthentic. That’s the kind of thing that put people more at ease with a guy like Bill Clinton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Starkiller said: She isn’t as charismatic as someone like Booker, but I’d put her charisma well ahead of Biden or Bernie. I'd also, more importantly, put her level of charisma ahead of Hillary's. Separately, she speaks more like a Midwesterner, which I think will benefit her in a campaign. She grew up in Oklahoma and you can hear it sometimes and it won’t come off as inauthentic. That’s the kind of thing that put people more at ease with a guy like Bill Clinton. Biden has always had a great deal of charisma/ charm. His age is muting it. Warren played the angry note too much for quite awhile and comes off much better when she tones it down. Hillary just had too much baggage. Booker comes across hokey more than charismatic. Pete’s got charisma but other limitations. Harris can show some sometimes but it always comes across forced and insincere (very Hillary like tbh) Just not a great pool of candidates where charisma is concerned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/20/20867899/elizabeth-warren-cfpb-founding-plans-obama-president Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s unofficial campaign slogan is “she’s got a plan for that.” The reality is, she has just one. She wants to finish what she started when she first came to Washington. And she will bring with her a cadre of energetic, ideologically committed regulators who will go after the bad guys of corporate America who she believes have crippled the national economy. If Warren wins the presidency, she, like any Democrat, will face steep odds of getting an ambitious legislative agenda through Congress. The real action in any administration is executive in nature: knowing what regulatory buttons to push, which enforcers can really go for blood, who to put where, and how to manage them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Starkiller said: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/20/20867899/elizabeth-warren-cfpb-founding-plans-obama-president Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s unofficial campaign slogan is “she’s got a plan for that.” The reality is, she has just one. She wants to finish what she started when she first came to Washington. And she will bring with her a cadre of energetic, ideologically committed regulators who will go after the bad guys of corporate America who she believes have crippled the national economy. If Warren wins the presidency, she, like any Democrat, will face steep odds of getting an ambitious legislative agenda through Congress. The real action in any administration is executive in nature: knowing what regulatory buttons to push, which enforcers can really go for blood, who to put where, and how to manage them. This is the part of her candidacy that I both like and makes me nervous- to be honest. She's a bit of a wrecking ball herself about things she's passionate about. I would like change to the US economic system .. but would prefer surgical operations to sledge hammer activities. I don't know which she is... thor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 This is the situation: A vote for Elizabeth Warren in the Democrat primary is two votes for President Trump in the general election. 'Nator 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 She has less of a chance than Hillary Rolltide 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 2 hours ago, 9 Nines said: This is the situation: A vote for Elizabeth Warren in the Democrat primary is two votes for President Trump in the general election. Who is your candidate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Nator Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 Are there people who actually think Trump will not wipe his fat ass with Warren's face? They'll "socialism/marxism, socialism/marxism" against her and win every one of those rust belt states again. Does anyone remember Mondale? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, 'Nator said: Are there people who actually think Trump will not wipe his fat ass with Warren's face? They'll "socialism/marxism, socialism/marxism" against her and win every one of those rust belt states again. Does anyone remember Mondale? I honestly don’t think the dem candidate matters. It’s Trump vs not Trump for most voters. Just like it was Hillary vs not Hillary last election. Warren would be more of a test of they theory than I’d like. 'Nator 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Nator Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Pragidealist said: I honestly don’t think the dem candidate matters. It’s Trump vs not Trump for most voters. Just like it was Hillary vs not Hillary last election. Warren would be more of a test of they theory than I’d like. Where is the generic, moderately charismatic...moderate for the dems? Biden is the closest thing but he's so old. That's all they need to lay waste to Trump but there's nobody except the too old, and a bunch of socialists. Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Pragidealist said: It’s Trump vs not Trump for most voters. You;re out of your mind That exactly why the midterm turnout was historic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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