Walter Football Rumors On The Offense, Murray's Future, and Kevin Dodd

[Mythos27]

Henry is legit. He'll have a good 2018 season and the doubters will slink away into the shadows. 

[Number9]

3 minutes ago, nine said:

My only problem with Henry is that you don't know which guy you'll get from one snap to the next.  On some plays he looks like a dominant HOF-caliber runner...and then on the next play he'll look soft and hesistant.

 

It's about developing consistency.  If he can adopt more of hard-nosed Eddie George mindset, Henry would be one of the most dominant runners in the league.  But right now his approach is more like CJ,  too often looking to bounce it outside for the big play.  I'll gladly forgo the occasional 70-yard run in favor of consistent 4-6 yard gains.

You are correct.  It seemed like he cleaned that up a lot in the Jax and KC games.  If the Titans start running a more open offense, there should be more room for him to go forward.  He's still going to have to run N-S on short yardage and when defenses guess right on the run.

[StephenIsLegend]

50 minutes ago, Face said:

I can't believe a stress fracture impacted him so much. He didn't look that bad at all late season, it'll be interesting to see how he looks next year with another offseason.

He was looking promising late in the year. 

[MikeTn]

7 hours ago, Face said:

I can't believe a stress fracture impacted him so much. He didn't look that bad at all late season, it'll be interesting to see how he looks next year with another offseason.

Ever had one in your foot?  Do you weigh 270 lbs?  Stress fractures is one step below broken which means it hurts like hell!

[TitanDuckFan]

11 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Day coached at Oregon and under Kelly in the NFL, it was clearly going to be a big part of Day's offense had he been hired 

Ryan Day never coached at Oregon.

He coached with Kelly at NH after playing for him, and he coached for Kelly in PHI and SF.

He was never at Oregon in any capacity.

[TitanDuckFan]

12 hours ago, TeamRamrod27 said:

You guys understand that not all spread offenses are full of designed QB runs right? Plenty of spread offenses in which the QB doesn't run at all.

Good luck. 

I've tried numerous times to explain that the runs come from Zone Read concepts, not Spread passing game concepts, and some just can't seem to grasp that.

They hear spread -> they think run.  It's baffling.

 

 

Just for everyone else,...

Mike Leach came up with the Air Raid/Spread, his teams barely run the ball at all.  He does throw to his RBs extensively though.  The object is to create space in the secondary.  He uses shovel passes and screens instead of inside and outside running.

 

Rich Rodriquez started the college IZR/OZR running game.  His teams pass almost out of necessity, he'd run the ball all game if he could.

 

Chip Kelly combined the two at Oregon, and then threw in the hurry up EP routes and playcalls.

That's the basis for the Kelly offense.  But he'll be the first to tell you he wanted a QB that could run, not a RB that could pass.  Diagnosing defenses was always a Kelly requirement, from the QB standpoint.

 

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, TitanDuckFan said:

Good luck. 

I've tried numerous times to explain that the runs come from Zone Read concepts, not Spread passing game concepts, and some just can't seem to grasp that.

They hear spread -> they think run.  It's baffling.

 

 

Just for everyone else,...

Mike Leach came up with the Air Raid/Spread, his teams barely run the ball at all.  He does throw to his RBs extensively though.  The object is to create space in the secondary.  He uses shovel passes and screens instead of inside and outside running.

 

Rich Rodriquez started the college IZR/OZR running game.  His teams pass almost out of necessity, he'd run the ball all game if he could.

 

Chip Kelly combined the two at Oregon, and then threw in the hurry up EP routes and playcalls.

That's the basis for the Kelly offense.  But he'll be the first to tell you he wanted a QB that could run, not a RB that could pass.  Diagnosing defenses was always a Kelly requirement, from the QB standpoint.

 

Good post here.

[Face]

2 hours ago, MikeTn said:

Ever had one in your foot?  Do you weigh 270 lbs?  Stress fractures is one step below broken which means it hurts like hell!

I did have one. Stayed off it as often as I could for 6-8 weeks & was fine.

 

Theres different degrees of course.

[mmmmmbeeer]

12 hours ago, tgo said:

Dodd is likely a bust. But he’s not quite as embarassingly bad of a pick as say Dorial Green Beckham. Dodd’s injury no doubt really affected him. 

 

But every GM misses on early picks occasionally. This does not tarnish the overall body of work too much. 

 

Dodd will probably do a little better in the new scheme anyway, but I don’t ever see him as anything more than a reserve/role player. 

Not to mention, just having a fresh slate with a new coaching staff can do wonders for the mental aspect of Dodd's game.  I think he felt he was on DLB and MM's shit lists and was a combination of frustrated and playing more cautiously to avoid making mistakes.  An NFL player can't succeed with that sort of defeatist mentality.  There should be no player on the Titan roster happier with the hire of Mike Vrabel as Kevin Dodd likely is.  

[nine]

20 minutes ago, mmmmmbeeer said:

.  There should be no player on the Titan roster happier with the hire of Mike Vrabel as Kevin Dodd likely is.  

 

I'd say Kalan Reed is probably right there, as well.

 

 I never could figure out why they didn't put  Reed on the field more often;  from what I saw,  he basically lit it up every time he was given an opportunity and had a nose for the ball.  I'm interested  to see if he's given more opportunities under a different coaching staff.

[socaltitan]

33 minutes ago, mmmmmbeeer said:

Not to mention, just having a fresh slate with a new coaching staff can do wonders for the mental aspect of Dodd's game.  I think he felt he was on DLB and MM's shit lists and was a combination of frustrated and playing more cautiously to avoid making mistakes.  An NFL player can't succeed with that sort of defeatist mentality.  There should be no player on the Titan roster happier with the hire of Mike Vrabel as Kevin Dodd likely is.  

Vrabel FWIW was nearly a bust himself. He was a bench player/ST guy for 4 seasons until he joined NE and turned his career around. I agree this could be good for Dodd, but next season is now or never.

[Face]

21 minutes ago, nine said:

 

I'd say Kalan Reed is probably right there, as well.

 

 I never could figure out why they didn't put  Reed on the field more often;  from what I saw,  he basically lit it up every time he was given an opportunity and had a nose for the ball.  I'm interested  to see if he's given more opportunities under a different coaching staff.

I think Kalan Reed could be the surprise player next year. I just want him to have a fair chance. IMO he clearly won at minimum a spot in the top 4 corners before the season.

 

Besides the great play in the preseason, all the reporters said he looked great in practices as well.

[Huston]

Played very well in the slot with the few reps he got.

[GLinks]

When Reed got a chance to play this season, it often felt like the verge of a breakout was coming. Then he had to get off the field before that could ever happen.

 

I’m excited about the Coombs hired for Reed. He’ll have Vrabel’s ear as to whether he’s ready to play or not.

[titanruss]

18 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

This is my fear. I laughed at all the analyst suggesting he should be in a spread type offense where he's running etc..... it sounds like they may actually be considering that. I realize they can run spread concepts without him running all the time but we're hearing about him running more way too much. I don't mind the retard defensive players saying it but Vrabel suggested it as well. Also trying to hire Day was a red flag. 

 

I don't care what the offense is, for Mariota to succeed long term he has to be a polished drop back pocket passer. 

going into this season when mularkey said much the same thing about the running part it really worried me. he then, before the injury, tried to run him at 2x the rate of 2016 and 2015. of course he got injured, and once he did we had structured the whole offense around his running to where we couldnt recover. 

 

many of these young athletic QBs come into the league needing to run to get the offense moving. i understand that THOSE guys need it... but Marcus didnt. most of those guys will have short career because they get injured, flame out, and relied on their legs too much when they should have been learning to pass. 

 

I'm fine with the QB having designed running some, but i think with Marcus it should be after he's learned to be a very effective pocket guy. Protect his legs some and they will still be there for running in a couple of years.