Oiler FANatic Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 Steph Curry is going to end up just like Derrick Rose in a couple of years. His best days are behind him, more chronic injuries than rings to come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT9 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 On 8/21/2017 at 0:42 AM, Oiler FANatic said: The whole basis of this thread amuses the hell out of me! At least it would make sense with LeBron instead of Curry. Stephy isn't even the greatest PG of his generation (CP3 is), despite being the greatest 3-point shooter of all time. Aside from the 3-point shooting and exceptional ball-handling skills, what makes him equal (or even close) to Jordan? Contrary to the opinion of some misinformed fans, Curry is mediocre at best on defense. He is surrounded by 3 elite defenders about 85% of the time, the rest of the time just two. When Curry is called upon to play defense, he is almost always facing his opponent's worst or 2nd worst offensive player. Well nobody is equal or even close to Jordan. But that's not a fair comparison. Curry has a crazy good shot though. He isn't a great defensive player but the NBA doesn't have any true great defenders anymore. Leonard is about the only one. Howard is still strong on the boards but the league def doesn't have defenders like Jordan, Payton, Pippen, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 hours ago, JakePA_Titan said: How do you compare? How do you compare Kareem or Russell to Jordan? How do you compare Larry Bird to Shaq? Admittedly it's a challenge, but for those two players... Both great players, both 5x champions, but Duncan's wing players were never of the same caliber as Kobe's centers. So give Duncan the edge. Would be hard-pressed to do a complete list, as you point out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, JakePA_Titan said: Ehh, Idk. Lets compare... Lakers won 2009 and 2010. Here is the roster https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html Starters - Derek Fisher Kobe Bryant Luke Walton Lamar Odom Pau Gasol Taking out Kobe, the entire team averaged about 90.3 ppg. Spurs won in 2007. Here is their roster. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html Starters - Tony Parker Manu Ginobli Bruce Bowen Francisco Elson/Obricio/Horry Duncan Taking out Duncan, the entire team averaged 96.7. LA only had 13 players. SA had 15, but I threw out the two lowest point getters from SA to make an even amount of players. Actually the entire team averaged 102.5 not counting Duncan. 6 to 12 points better help from his teammates. And in 2014, he had Leonard who was in his 3rd year when they won Duncans last title. Duncan also had the General and Avery Johnson in 99. And were the best defensive team in the NBA that year. But just look at Kobes 2010 team. Just look at the entire roster... The best two players outside of Gasol and Kobe were Fisher and Odom. Fisher was 8, 2, and 3 for his career. He was 10 and 3 and 8 and 2 for our titles in 09-10 Odom was 13, 8, and 3 for his career. He averaged 11 and 8 and 10 and 10 for out titles in 09-10. Are those great numbers?? Those numbers are worse than Lonzos as a rookie who everyone is calling a bust. Everyone talks about how shitty LeBrons team was his first trip to the Finals in CLE. I bet their numbers are just as good if not better than Kobes 2010 Lakers. Pau Gasol was a stud. Shaquille O'Neill was a HoF center. Yes Duncan had David Robinson for a bit but Duncan carried most of those teams too. This is very subjective, and I acknowledge there's a lot of room for opinion. In a fantasy draft picking players in the their prime, I'd definitely take Duncan over Bryant for my team. He had a killer team mentality, while Kobe always seemed baitable into bad shots. Edited April 5, 2018 by patsplat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 3 hours ago, patsplat said: Pau Gasol was a stud. Shaquille O'Neill was a HoF center. Yes Duncan had David Robinson for a bit but Duncan carried most of those teams too. Robinson wasn't the same guy when Duncan joined in 1997. And he was practically a shell of himself in 2003 with a bad back. Ginobili was probably the best sidekick player for Duncan if you want to argue that. Kobe definitely had the better supporting cast. pat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiler FANatic Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Curry is easily the best shooter in NBA history, no doubt. But he's not even close to Jordan as the greatest player in NBA history. Curry is now 0-8 in potential game-winning shots during the playoffs. That's about as far from being Michael Jordan as you can get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 2/27/2016 at 8:59 PM, Oiler FANatic said: The guy has a silver horseshoe up his ass, I've never seen someone hit so many lucky shots like he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somedude Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 MJ would have made that shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiler FANatic Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 On 6/14/2019 at 3:23 AM, Somedude said: MJ would have made that shot. Yes, he would have. All of these ridiculous comparisons with LeBron or Curry to Jordan are bullshit. Neither of them are close defensively to MJ. Somedude 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT9 Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 I don't think there will be anyone to take MJs crown for awhile. That kind of mentality that MJ has is becoming extinct and without it people wont be able to pass him. In the long run someone will but its going to be awhile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtown Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 MJ, and it ain’t close. The hand check rule really did change things. MJ would be way more lethal in today’s NBA with the added protection en-route to the basket. LeBron would get mauled even more in the old game because some of his imposing athleticism could be neutralized by a bully slowing him down from the perimeter. He benefits from a defender no longer being able to make contact with that hand. Just look at who dominated the league before they enforced the rule (Tim Duncan MVP / Kevin Garnett MVP/ post up players in general) and then we haven’t really had a post-up MVP since the rule was enforced because it drastically helps outside guys without dominating physical prowess get to the basket (Nash before and after the rule as MVP being one big example) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted July 12, 2019 Report Share Posted July 12, 2019 Lol at Lebron would get dominated, he’d adapt.... if soccer players weren’t allowed to flop then they just wouldn’t. It’s not like they’re less talented because they play into the refs game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtown Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 20 hours ago, wiscotitansfan said: Lol at Lebron would get dominated, he’d adapt.... if soccer players weren’t allowed to flop then they just wouldn’t. It’s not like they’re less talented because they play into the refs game Where did anyone say he’d get dominated? He’s still the 2nd best player in the history of the league. He would still be an elite player. He currently gets mauled by players and doesn’t get a large portion of those calls because of his size. That would only intensify if you put him in the NBA of the past. Doesn’t change his talent, but would definitely put a small dent in his output. MJ’s stats would be slightly better in today’s game. LeBron’s would be slightly worse in a different era. Not hard to understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted July 13, 2019 Report Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Downtown said: Where did anyone say he’d get dominated? He’s still the 2nd best player in the history of the league. He would still be an elite player. He currently gets mauled by players and doesn’t get a large portion of those calls because of his size. That would only intensify if you put him in the NBA of the past. Doesn’t change his talent, but would definitely put a small dent in his output. MJ’s stats would be slightly better in today’s game. LeBron’s would be slightly worse in a different era. Not hard to understand. Sorry, "mauled" He'd adapt and play tougher, if you think that he gets mauled enough to send him flying like he does then you are crazy... He plays into the refs plenty, not all the time obviously but he wants to make sure everyone knows that people defend him tougher than others because his size Edited July 13, 2019 by wiscotitansfan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiler FANatic Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 11:54 AM, Downtown said: MJ, and it ain’t close. And just recently MJ said that Curry isn't a Hall of Famer yet, so comparing the two is so ignorant it's not even funny. The Warriors lost so many of their best defenders last summer and it shows. They will easily have the worst defense in the entire NBA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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