luvyablue256 Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 You know I love Cooper to & I agree with you that sometimes people can be overly obsessed with front 7 players. Frankly I think our secondary may have been the bigger issue & if you look at the best D's of the last few years, my opinion Seattle last year & the '09 Jets, they both had dominant cover corners. The '09 Jets especially didn't have a great front 7. That said I think you're a bit off base in your argument lately, specifically in regards to JJ Watt. You pointed out that Houston doesn't win with him but you can say the same about Calvin in Detroit all these years. No one player outside of QB can singlehandedly transform a team like in basketball. However, I'm in agreement that we're desperate for playmakers, we have none. And by playmakers I mean all over the field. It doesn't get much discussion but I think we're dying for a big time player in the secondary & a WR. For as much flak as guys like Pac, CJ, and Britt got, for good reason, they won games for us. And they were exciting for crissakes, this is entertainment after all. A dynamic WR helps a QB like Mett. I want us to make his development as easy as possible. Wright and Hunter won't cut it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 TB is not morphing into a playoff caliber team by drafting Williams, and neither are we. He helps, but not as much as a dynamic offense. Dominant DL play is far more important than a good wr. Any team that takes Cooper over Williams or Gregory will be ridiculed and rightfully so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denali Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 We at least need to think about who we take at 2 if Williams is gone. You give Webster too much credit. I don't think Webster will look that far ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 Dominant DL play is far more important than a good wr. Any team that takes Cooper over Williams or Gregory will be ridiculed and rightfully so. Key word is GOOD wr. Not elite. If there was a Julio, AJ, Dez, Johnson type player, it would be more of a discussion but Cooper just isn't that guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE75 Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 Wut? What i meant was bring in a physical back like Marshawn Lynch or draft Gordon. Of course i know neither is likely to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 Exactly, this is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. He's from California & plays college there, he's a Raiders fan & knew they'd be picking in that area so he thought it would be cool to play there. Eli Manning did it for business purposes, not because he was a Giant fan. Put it this way, if he really is that intent on making waves to play for the Raiders he's got a screw loose & we don't want him anyway. The idea is he forces his way to the Raiders whilst not sacrificing money... At the very worst he drops from 2 to 4. Not a real big deal there. But even better would be for him to force us to trade him at 2 to the Raiders... The idea is very much about business AND picking where you want to go especially since its real possibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 I didn't realize he was from Bakersfield. If you know California then you know that the south valley is Raiders territory. As you move further north you get more 49er fans. South of the grapevine in Los Angeles you get a mix of Raiders, Chargers, Rams and small amounts of fans from every other team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 Key word is GOOD wr. Not elite. If there was a Julio, AJ, Dez, Johnson type player, it would be more of a discussion but Cooper just isn't that guy I love Julio Jones' skill set but the Falcons screwed up by mortgaging their draft for him and it shows. A dominant interior DT is the single hardest thing for an offense to game plan against. Conversely Teams game plan against WRs all the time. If there weren't two premier Defensive players in this draft then Cooper would be an option at #2 much like Watkins was at #4 last year. That isn't the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nash Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 The big thing though is that between the qb and Williams, there are quite a few teams willing to trade up for the position .. If the raiders want to give us a 1,2,and 3 all high picks to move down 2 slots in listening .. Ray can help our team , and the additional players with 2 high 2nds, 2 high 3rds and the first 4th round pick would give us 6 likely starters , not to mention the possibility of trading #33 to get a couple of players.. We could use 7 new players at this point to rebuild our team.. Throw in a FA nt , olb, ilb, rb, and og and this team just might get turned into a new direction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 Dominant DL play is far more important than a good wr. Any team that takes Cooper over Williams or Gregory will be ridiculed and rightfully so. A well-functioning offense helps a defense. A well-functioning defense doesn't necessarily help the offense. We can force 3 and outs all day, but if the offense can't move the chains & score points, what good is the improved defense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 I love Julio Jones' skill set but the Falcons screwed up by mortgaging their draft for him and it shows. A dominant interior DT is the single hardest thing for an offense to game plan against. Conversely Teams game plan against WRs all the time. If there weren't two premier Defensive players in this draft then Cooper would be an option at #2 much like Watkins was at #4 last year. That isn't the case. I personally wouldn't take Cooper even if Williams and Gregory weren't in the class to be honest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 I think history shows that even if Webster gets some extra 2nd or 3rd round picks, that he's unlikely to be able to pick good players. Barring a block buster trade, I'd rather stand pat, take the stud player at #2 and accept the fact that this roster is so bad that it will take more than one off season to fix it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 A well-functioning offense helps a defense. A well-functioning defense doesn't necessarily help the offense. We can force 3 and outs all day, but if the offense can't move the chains & score points, what good is the improved defense? Getting the ball back doesn't help the offense? Allowing fewer points doesn't take pressure off the offense? Both sides of the ball need plenty of help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 If they want to go defense, either take Williams or trade down and take Shelton. If they want to go offense, trade down and take a WR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 1, 2015 Report Share Posted January 1, 2015 They have so many fricking holes on the roster that you could literally pick almost any position and be justified. If course, the doofus making the pick is a big part of why the cupboard is so bare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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