Callidus Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, CaliTitan3518 said: That he is not an elite NFL WR draft prospect that should be taken with the #4 pick. If this was next years draft we would be talking about picking Jeremiah Smith. Jeremiah Smith >>>>>> Tate. That is the kind of WR prospect you take with the #4 pick. No one has said he would be a non starter. Smith being the real deal when people say generational doesn't change the fact tate is an extreamly good player. But the question was more so what about his game. You guys keep saying he isn't that good but Im looking for specifics. ctm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 6 minutes ago, Callidus said: Smith being the real deal when people say generational doesn't change the fact tate is an extreamly good player. But the question was more so what about his game. You guys keep saying he isn't that good but Im looking for specifics. I have not 1 time said Tate isn't good. I have only said he isn't an elite NFL WR draft prospect that should be taken with the #4 pick. You can go to the first page and clearly see that. I have referenced the WR draft class as having a lot of JAGs and that we can find similar quality WRs in FA. rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 5 minutes ago, CaliTitan3518 said: I have not 1 time said Tate isn't good. I have only said he isn't an elite NFL WR draft prospect that should be taken with the #4 pick. You can go to the first page and clearly see that. I have referenced the WR draft class as having a lot of JAGs and that we can find similar quality WRs in FA. Are you arguing against taking Tate at 4 or one of the many JAGs at 4? Because yeah, we can find JAGs in FA, although I'd rather draft a "JAG" in the 4th round or later. Sure you're not arguing Tate is a JAG, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLinks Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, CaliTitan3518 said: JSN, Jefferson and Egbuka were not top 5 picks. They weren't even top 15. I have said it multiple times if Tate was in discussion in the middle of the 1st he would be a great pick. Um anyone would take JSN or Jefferson top 5 in hindsight at this point. Egbuka? Too soon to tell, but promising start. I wanted Jefferson over Burks so bad but everyone thought, Oh, Jefferson is a slot player only player. But Robinson was so hyper focused on replacing AJ Brown’s body type he couldn’t identify any real receiving skills. Jefferson did what JR hoped Burks could do: move outside and be successful. Tate has great hands and runs great routes. He’s been projected to the Cardinals in the hopes they’ll somehow get more out of MHJ if they add Tate, and he’s been heavily projected to the Giants to pair with Nabors. So it’s not even like no one is projecting him to be taken in the top 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanskick8851 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GLinks said: Um anyone would take JSN or Jefferson top 5 in hindsight at this point. Egbuka? Too soon to tell, but promising start. I wanted Jefferson over Burks so bad but everyone thought, Oh, Jefferson is a slot player only player. But Robinson was so hyper focused on replacing AJ Brown’s body type he couldn’t identify any real receiving skills. Jefferson did what JR hoped Burks could do: move outside and be successful. Tate has great hands and runs great routes. He’s been projected to the Cardinals in the hopes they’ll somehow get more out of MHJ if they add Tate, and he’s been heavily projected to the Giants to pair with Nabors. So it’s not even like no one is projecting him to be taken in the top 5. Justin Jefferson??? Justin Jefferson was drafted in 2020. Treylon Burks was drafted in 2022. Love the fake argument you built though! Edited February 24 by titanskick8851 Supernope, and GLinks 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 (edited) 24 minutes ago, CaliTitan3518 said: I have not 1 time said Tate isn't good. I have only said he isn't an elite NFL WR draft prospect that should be taken with the #4 pick. You can go to the first page and clearly see that. I have referenced the WR draft class as having a lot of JAGs and that we can find similar quality WRs in FA. I didnt say you said he sucks. But you are equating him to a good not great prospect. I have asked for simply anything about his game you dont like and you keep dodging the question. I get he was never the nunber 1 guy but that has nothing to do with his ability. Edit: If you want a game breaker after the catch would be an example of something that he isn't good at. He can take it to the house but he wont leave a trail of bodies or guys panting while he does it. Im not saying he is the greatest prospect of all time myself. But between the tape and his stats its hard for me to see why anyone would think he isnt a legit top of the 1st prospect. Catch rate Tate 85.7% Nabors 68.5% MHJ 58.8% Tet 62.5% Yards per route Tate 3.02 Nabors 3.64 Mhj 3.6 Tet 2.87 Contested catch rate Tate 85.7% Nabors 46% Mhj 78.7% Tet 61.3% Yards per cach Tate 17.2 Nabors 17.6 Mhj 18.1 Tet 15.7 Drop rate Tate 0% Nabors 5.3% Mhj 3% Tet 4% Yards after catch Tate 4.5 Nabors 6.6 Mhj 6.4 Tet 8.4 Edited February 24 by Callidus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Just now, NashvilleNinja said: Are you arguing against taking Tate at 4 or one of the many JAGs at 4? Because yeah, we can find JAGs in FA, although I'd rather draft a "JAG" in the 4th round or later. Sure you're not arguing Tate is a JAG, right? Im arguing against Tate at #4 because I do not think he is an elite NFL prospect worth the #4 pick. I have said he would be a great pick around #15 as that is where I feel he compares in terms to nfl draft prospects over the last 5 years which has been disagreed with by Callidus because he thinks Tate is top 5 WR prospect when comparing to the last 5 drafts. I said he is closer to top 10 when comparing him to WR prospects over the last 5 years. Thats really the only thing we have disagreed on. It was also referenced that this class is a good WR class and I said its filled with JAGs and lacks elite talent. I have never said Tate is a JAG. He is obviously worthy of being a 1st round WR. I think he is only being considered at #4 because this is a weaker draft class in terms of elite talent. I think he is the #1 WR prospect in the class and I agree his floor is a WR2. I think he has to go to a really good situation to become a true WR1. If Ward becomes a legit franchise QB and we actually run a competent offense maybe that is us. I think he would be a lot better on other teams though. Callidus, and Bongo59 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Tate is the best WR available in the draft with elite hands, route running and body control. His long speed is the only question. Where he would be selected in another draft is irrelevent. This isn't another draft, it's 2026. You play the hand you are dealt, not the hand you wish you had. NashvilleNinja, and GLinks 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, Callidus said: I didnt say you said he sucks. But you are equating him to a good not great prospect. I have asked for simply anything about his game you dont like and you keep dodging the question. I get he was never the nunber 1 guy but that has nothing to do with his ability. Im not saying he is the greatest prospect of all time myself. But between the tate and his stats its hard to see why anyone would think he isnt a legit top of the 1st prospect. Catch rate Tate 85.7% Nabors 68.5% MHJ 58.8% Tet 62.5% Yards per route Tate 3.02 Nabors 3.64 Mhj 3.6 Tet 2.87 Contested catch rate Tate 85.7% Nabors 46% Mhj 78.7% Tet 61.3% Yards per cach Tate 17.2 Nabors 17.6 Mhj 18.1 Tet 15.7 Drop rate Tate 0% Nabors 5.3% Mhj 3% Tet 4% Yards after catch Tate 4.5 Nabors 6.6 Mhj 6.4 Tet 8.4 You said he was a top 5 WR prospect when comparing to the last 5 draft class. I said he was closer to top 10. You have said he was a slam dunk top WR and said you were as sure of that as you were about Joe Alt who was an elite OT prospect. I am really expecting you to trade your whole dynasty team to move up in the draft to pick him that way you have been clamoring about him lol. I literally have said what I don't like about Tate in this thread. Its so odd to me that you want to engage so hard but not read what I actually wrote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLinks Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 (edited) 22 minutes ago, titanskick8851 said: Justin Jefferson??? Justin Jefferson was drafted in 2020. Treylon Burks was drafted in 2022. Love the fake argument you built though! Whoa! I did have an old man time merge slip. My bad, lol. Point stands on Jefferson being worth a top 5 pick, though. (Awkward.) I remember now. I was hoping Jefferson fell to us so we could pair him with AJ, and so we wouldn’t draft Aaron Wilson, whom 90% of the board said we had to have. I guess my brain was trying to cope around the draft trauma JR inflicted. Edited February 24 by GLinks titanskick8851, and Supernope 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 5 minutes ago, CaliTitan3518 said: You said he was a top 5 WR prospect when comparing to the last 5 draft class. I said he was closer to top 10. You have said he was a slam dunk top WR and said you were as sure of that as you were about Joe Alt who was an elite OT prospect. I am really expecting you to trade your whole dynasty team to move up in the draft to pick him that way you have been clamoring about him lol. I literally have said what I don't like about Tate in this thread. Its so odd to me that you want to engage so hard but not read what I actually wrote. I used alt as an example because people said alot about him that you are saying about tate. Hes good but doesn't have the ceiling of other guys was the knock on him for many people. Cant miss prospect but will he be an all pro was said many times on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 7 minutes ago, ctm said: Tate is the best WR available in the draft with elite hands, route running and body control. His long speed is the only question. Where he would be selected in another draft is irrelevent. This isn't another draft, it's 2026. You play the hand you are dealt, not the hand you wish you had. For sure. But we are dealt the hand of the whole offseason and that doesn't mean we pigeon hole ourselves to have to pick Tate at #4. He isn't that kind of prospect. There are a lot of options for us this offseason. Ultimately FA and what we do with Ridley will likely determine what we do at the #4 pick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, CaliTitan3518 said: For sure. But we are dealt the hand of the whole offseason and that doesn't mean we pigeon hole ourselves to have to pick Tate at #4. He isn't that kind of prospect. There are a lot of options for us this offseason. Ultimately FA and what we do with Ridley will likely determine what we do at the #4 pick. If they draft someone other than tate Ill be fine with it. Even my least favorite of the normal options at 4, bailey, wouldn't have me upset. I would be disapointed but it wouldn't ruin my offseason. If they got bain or reese I would be locked in on their vision. I am just trying to make the case that tate deserves more consideration. Depending on what they do in FA I may not even be pounding the table for him on draft night. If they sign pittman and Robinson for example my focus would absolutely switch. CaliTitan3518, GLinks, and NashvilleNinja 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo59 Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 I'd rather have Love or an OT than any of these WRs at 4. I'm out on all of them at four. DE at 4. That is it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted February 25 Author Report Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Bongo59 said: I'd rather have Love or an OT than any of these WRs at 4. I'm out on all of them at four. DE at 4. That is it I feel vindicated, anyone in Indianapolis? We need to get this news to borgo stat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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