LongTimeFan Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 (edited) 8 minutes ago, reo said: You’re still shifting the discussion away from the only legally relevant question. Lethal force is not justified by disobedience, failure to exit a vehicle, or an attempt to flee. Those are grounds for arrest — not execution. The standard is imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm that cannot be otherwise stopped. If she drives away, you get her plate which he already had. Responsibility to comply does not negate an officer’s responsibility to avoid using lethal force when other options exist. Law enforcement policy does not allow officers to escalate to deadly force simply because a person fails to follow commands or attempts to leave the scene. Everything else — what she “should have done,” what the officer “believed,” or how quickly compliance should have occurred — is irrelevant unless it establishes an unavoidable, immediate threat. If that threshold isn’t met, lethal force is unjustified. That’s the point. Ok, so you believe the officer will get convicted of murder? Edited January 10 by LongTimeFan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 (edited) 12 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said: Ok, so you believe the officer will get convicted of murder? I’ve called it murder as a moral judgment, not a prediction of a criminal verdict. Whether prosecutors charge murder or a jury convicts is not the standard that governs an officer’s use of force. Officers are bound by a narrower rule: lethal force is justified only to stop an immediate, unavoidable threat of death or serious bodily harm. If that standard isn’t met, the killing is unjustified — regardless of what charge is brought or how a court ultimately rules. Shifting the discussion to convictions or labels doesn’t change that analysis. That’s the issue. And it's where we should agree. Edited January 10 by reo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 8 minutes ago, reo said: I’ve called it murder as a moral judgment, not a prediction of a criminal verdict. Whether prosecutors charge murder or a jury convicts is not the standard that governs an officer’s use of force. Officers are bound by a narrower rule: lethal force is justified only to stop an immediate, unavoidable threat of death or serious bodily harm. If that standard isn’t met, the killing is unjustified — regardless of what charge is brought or how a court ultimately rules. Shifting the discussion to convictions or labels doesn’t change that analysis. That’s the issue. And it's where we should agree. That officer judged that his life was in immediate danger. Whether you or i agree is irrelevant. The law will sort it out. I am asserting that he will not be convicted of murder. You, and others, are calling it murder or excessive use of force. I disagree with your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 The "Nobody should die for their beliefs" crowd just added a second sentence. "Nobody should die for their beliefs but I'm ok if they die for mine." MadMax, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 3 hours ago, KenAmato58 said: I’m just trying to match the energy in this thread, tbh. Lots of hate towards an innocent (my opinion) federal agent in here. It's fine dude I'm not mad at you MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, LongTimeFan said: That officer judged that his life was in immediate danger. Whether you or i agree is irrelevant. The law will sort it out. I am asserting that he will not be convicted of murder. You, and others, are calling it murder or excessive use of force. I disagree with your opinion. It's fine dude I'm not mad at you MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 All the lies told about Renee Nicole Good after she was murdered by ICE agent Jonathan Ross collapse in the face of her last words. "It's fine dude I'm not mad at you" This is the bad place. The people voting for and defending these murderers are the bad people. It's fine dude, I'm not mad at you. But I'm not gonna let you forget who you are - a spineless apologist for a spineless murder of a woman in a minivan. MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenAmato58 Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, pat said: It's fine dude I'm not mad at you Go get some lunch big boy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 ICE killed 32 people in 2025. Nicole Renee Good is the latest person killed by ICE. Go find more propaganda, you botlickers know what your purpose is. It's fine dude I'm not mad at you. MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 (edited) 36 minutes ago, pat said: ICE killed 32 people in 2025. Nicole Renee Good is the latest person killed by ICE. Go find more propaganda, you botlickers know what your purpose is. It's fine dude I'm not mad at you. See, this is why you are a stooge for the left. ICE didn't kill 32 people in 2025. 32 people died while in ICE custody. BIG DIFFERENCE. Here's a list. Do some research before you just parrot liberal talking points. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline Edited January 10 by LongTimeFan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 I swear these MAGA knobs would gladly fluff GOP politicians as they await their turn running a train through their wife and daughters. Probably their mothers as well. pat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 Just remember that the right always has to find a way to demonize anyone they victimize. These people are your enemy and you should not care what happened to them! If you start to sympathize with the victims then you might start to question Dear Leader. MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, LongTimeFan said: See, this is why you are a stooge for the left. ICE didn't kill 32 people in 2025. 32 people died while in ICE custody. BIG DIFFERENCE. Here's a list. Do some research before you just parrot liberal talking points. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/jan/04/ice-2025-deaths-timeline Check out the bot licker here to wELl AcTuAlY the rising number of ICE deaths. It’s fine dude, I’m not mad. MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 "32 people died in their custody" is a meaningful distinction for the dumbest motherfuckers. reo, MadMax, pat, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, LongTimeFan said: You want to do another year long bet that the officer is not charged with murder? Edit: I did a quick search and you claimed it was murder 5 times in this thread. Yeah because I have eyes, so I said it the first time. Then I looked up the law and said it a second time. Then I saw the procedures for Law Enforcement and said a third time. Then I watched experts in the field and said it a fourth time and fifth time. Anything else? As for your stupid bet, I've said numerous times he likely won't be charged regardless of the text of the law. However, I think he will be in Minnesota in a few years. So if you'd like to make that a say decade bet since there's no statute of limitations I'll accept it. Lifetime ban. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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