Titans release Tyler Lockett

[Mythos27]

8 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

its still early... we'll see how long it last. 

He could turn into a monster 2 years from now, but I was right about this one. 

[oldschool]

Just now, Mythos27 said:

He could turn into a monster 2 years from now, but I was right about this one. 

 

interesting victory lap but yet you won't admit the offense was better last week with a few subtle changes?

[Mythos27]

3 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

interesting victory lap but yet you won't admit the offense was better last week with a few subtle changes?

How is it "interesting"? One thing definitively happened exactly the way I said it would and the other is very possibly a mirage that isn't indicative of any lasting change. Oh and we didn't even score more than the season average. I struggle to see how it's I that should be taking an L. 

[oldschool]

3 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

How is it "interesting"? One thing definitively happened exactly the way I said it would and the other is very possibly a mirage that isn't indicative of any lasting change. Oh and we didn't even score more than the season average. I struggle to see how it's I that should be taking an L. 

 

didn't say take the L, but you clearly are not applying the same standards to both scenarios. Bias is bias after all.

[TF_Titan]

2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

One thing definitively happened exactly the way I said it would and the other is very possibly a mirage that isn't indicative of any lasting change.

 

Dude, it's been 7 games. It took 2 years before Dean Pees decided he was done with Vrabel's shit. You're like the guy dropping the ball before he crosses the goal line.

[oldschool]

Just now, TF_Titan said:

 

Dude, it's been 7 games. It took 2 years before Dean Pees decided he was done with Vrabel's shit. You're like the guy dropping the ball before he crosses the goal line.

 

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, TF_Titan said:

 

Dude, it's been 7 games. It took 2 years before Dean Pees decided he was done with Vrabel's shit. You're like the guy dropping the ball before he crosses the goal line.

The prediction I made was based on this season. To ignore that the prediction was accurate on the grounds that things may be different in the future, YEARS from now is purely moving the goal post. If I predict that a certain player will make the roster and he does, does him being cut years later negate the accurate prediction? Of course not. I didn't say Vrabel is born again. I said he will let McDaniels run his offense and he has. Rather than just admit this is accurate, we have to engage in weird mental gymnastics. 

Edited Wednesday at 07:46 PM by Mythos27

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, oldschool said:

 

didn't say take the L, but you clearly are not applying the same standards to both scenarios. Bias is bias after all.

The situations being compared are very different. As I said, one inarguably happened. 

[TF_Titan]

1 minute ago, Mythos27 said:

The prediction I made was based on this season. To ignore that the prediction was accurate on the grounds that things may be different in the future, YEARS from now is purely moving the goal post. If I predict that a certain player will make the roster and he does, does him being cut years later negate the accurate prediction? Of course not. 

 

Making some prediction about Vrabel that only applies to this season without consideration for everything that might follow is of no interest to me any more than you predicting Drake Maye will throw for 250 yards next week.

 

So congratulations if you were only talking about his first few games, but that has no bearing on whether or not he'll be successful long term in New England...which is what I question.

[tgo]

4 minutes ago, TF_Titan said:

 

Making some prediction about Vrabel that only applies to this season without consideration for everything that might follow is of no interest to me any more than you predicting Drake Maye will throw for 250 yards next week.

 

So congratulations if you were only talking about his first few games, but that has no bearing on whether or not he'll be successful long term in New England...which is what I question.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he was successful there long term because the expectation going in was clearly defined - that Vrabel would have final say on personnel. But he isn't like Belichick in that he's also running the scouting department and playing GM. He is just the tiebreaker on personnel disagreements. 

Edited Wednesday at 07:55 PM by tgo

[TF_Titan]

2 minutes ago, tgo said:

I wouldn't be surprised if he was successful there long term because the expectation going in was clearly defined - that Vrabel would have final say on personnel.

 

He effectively had final say on personnel when Carthon was here and we see where that got us.

[tgo]

2 minutes ago, TF_Titan said:

 

He effectively had final say on personnel when Carthon was here and we see where that got us.

 

Agree on the premise - but in New England he has Eliot Wolf, Ryan Cowden, and Alonzo Highsmith whom I bet he trusts and leans on a lot more than Carthon for obvious reasons. 

[NashvilleNinja]

1 hour ago, TF_Titan said:

 

Dude, it's been 7 games. It took 2 years before Dean Pees decided he was done with Vrabel's shit. You're like the guy dropping the ball before he crosses the goal line.

 

I forgot about the Pees thing.

 

They're all in honeymoon mode right now. Wait until they get back home and the trash needs taking out, bills start coming due, etc etc.

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, TF_Titan said:

 

Making some prediction about Vrabel that only applies to this season without consideration for everything that might follow is of no interest to me any more than you predicting Drake Maye will throw for 250 yards next week.

 

So congratulations if you were only talking about his first few games, but that has no bearing on whether or not he'll be successful long term in New England...which is what I question.

And when I said it, it wasn't meant as some ground-breaking revelation but rather a very matter of fact comment that was only discussed further because @oldschool disagreed. I made no comments or predictions about Vrabel's long term success in NE. You're inserting yourself into a conversation without knowing the context and determining who is wrong based on limited information. 

[oldschool]

4 hours ago, tgo said:

 

Agree on the premise - but in New England he has Eliot Wolf, Ryan Cowden, and Alonzo Highsmith whom I bet he trusts and leans on a lot more than Carthon for obvious reasons. 

 

this shows a stunning lack of understanding on who Vrabel is. There is only one Lord of rings and he does not share power.