Mythos27 Posted Tuesday at 05:04 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:04 PM Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: No one has said it is the biggest problem. Talent is obviously the major issue. It doesn't mean the coaching, scheme, and play calling didn't suck donkey balls, because they absolutely did. Sunday was much better by every conceivable metric. The wheels fell off, but they showed they can move the ball against a base defense with some consistency. You haven't said that. Neither has OS. There have however been a few who while they haven't uttered those words, do seem to feel that this is the case. They might not come out and say it but they expected big time improvements because they're of the opinion that this is just a garden-variety bad roster and anyone but Callahan would have them playing much better. Given the tone and frequency of the posts they've made, deep down I don't believe they expected only minor improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted Tuesday at 05:08 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:08 PM Just now, Mythos27 said: You haven't said that. Neither has OS. There have however been a few who while they haven't uttered those words, do seem to feel that this is the case. They might not come out and say it but they expected big time improvements because they're of the opinion that this is just a garden-variety bad roster and anyone but Callahan would have them playing much better. Given the tone and frequency of the posts they've made, deep down I don't believe they expected only minor improvement. Fair enough lol. I don't think we are too far apart to be honest. Great coaching would make this a mediocre football team. I'm not sure we get that from McCoy, but we certainly weren't with Callahan. The way I see it, we were about to waste Ward's rookie year. Maybe that isn't the case now and we do have a good half of football against a good defense to show...signs of life? Since I've known you, you've been an eternal optimist. Don't think I don't notice that the Titans have beaten it out of you lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted Tuesday at 05:08 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:08 PM 2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: You haven't said that. Neither has OS. There have however been a few who while they haven't uttered those words, do seem to feel that this is the case. They might not come out and say it but they expected big time improvements because they're of the opinion that this is just a garden-variety bad roster and anyone but Callahan would have them playing much better. Given the tone and frequency of the posts they've made, deep down I don't believe they expected only minor improvement. I've been clear that I didn't feel confident that it would make a difference - partially because I think there are major issues with the system which couldn't realistically be addressed in such short time, and that McCoy's resume didn't impress me much more than Callahan's. I was actually quite surprised that they looked so sharp early on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted Tuesday at 05:09 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:09 PM 4 minutes ago, TerryBoats said: I was only referring to that one game. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they return to their mean level of play next week. I knew that this would happen the week after the Arizona game. But I think this could be different. We'll see. But you of all people should be surprised if they fall right back to where they were since you believe that the bump in performance is due to vastly superior coaching. How do you square the difference between the worst coach in the history of the league and an average coach only yielding the most minor of improvements while still maintaining that coaching is impactful enough to explain our precious struggles? It just doesn't follow logically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted Tuesday at 05:15 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:15 PM 1 minute ago, TerryBoats said: I've been clear that I didn't feel confident that it would make a difference - partially because I think there are major issues with the system which couldn't realistically be addressed in such short time, and that McCoy's resume didn't impress me much more than Callahan's. I was actually quite surprised that they looked so sharp early on. I am genuinely surprised to hear you say any of this. Going from the worst coach of all time to even a McCoy type should provide a substantial improvement in production if you think coaching matters a much as you've indicated. Even I don't discount coaching that much and it's what I've become known for around here. I would fully expect that going from the worst coach ever to even a below average coach to yield modest results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted Tuesday at 05:15 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:15 PM (edited) @Mythos27 this week Edited Tuesday at 05:17 PM by oldschool TF_Titan, TerryBoats, Mythos27, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted Tuesday at 05:18 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:18 PM sorry bro, built in GIFF finder didn't give me a good one for stubbornness lol. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted Tuesday at 05:19 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:19 PM 2 minutes ago, oldschool said: @Mythos27 this week At least I have some stuff to talk about. This season has been like watching paint dry until arguing with you mofos. oldschool, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted Tuesday at 05:23 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:23 PM 4 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I am genuinely surprised to hear you say any of this. Going from the worst coach of all time to even a McCoy type should provide a substantial improvement in production if you think coaching matters a much as you've indicated. Even I don't discount coaching that much and it's what I've become known for around here. I would fully expect that going from the worst coach ever to even a below average coach to yield modest results. Much of the past week has been me posting about how terrible McCoy has been in his career. So if the offense actually does show substantial improvement, then I'd be correct that Callahan is the worst coach ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted Tuesday at 05:34 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:34 PM Just now, TerryBoats said: Much of the past week has been me posting about how terrible McCoy has been in his career. So if the offense actually does show substantial improvement, then I'd be correct that Callahan is the worst coach ever. It's a nice play by you, maximize the upside while minimizing the downside. I'm not buying it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernope Posted Tuesday at 05:45 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:45 PM dazzling progress since getting the changes TR demands!! Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted Tuesday at 06:32 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:32 PM 57 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: It's a nice play by you, maximize the upside while minimizing the downside. I'm not buying it though. Nah I explicitly stated that McCoy may not be better and would be taking a L if he was to a meaningful degree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted Tuesday at 07:07 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:07 PM 30 minutes ago, TerryBoats said: Nah I explicitly stated that McCoy may not be better and would be taking a L if he was to a meaningful degree. You still win though because a coaching change would have resulted in much better play from the players. It's sacrificing a battle to win the war. With that stance you've made it so that you can't lose because you can blame bad coaching for the team's performance even if no improvement happens. Maybe it was unintentional but it's a nice hedge either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted Tuesday at 07:17 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:17 PM 2 hours ago, Mythos27 said: I certainly agree with you. I really just want people to grapple with how much player performance can muddy the waters of analyzing the effectiveness of schemes and coaches. I was watching Detroit a little yesterday. There were a couple of plays ; quick out to St. Brown he gets 20 yards mostly on yac. Simple swing pass to Gibbs , he almost scores a td (Sewell misses a block). None of these are complicated plays that require scheming . They were just normal plays that were successful because the guy catching and running the ball was better than TB’s player. While scheming can get you in the right spots and maximize the ability, you still have to be good enough and the Titans just don’t have enough in their units, plus they are a pretty young team at key spots. Mythos27, and DCTitan 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernope Posted Tuesday at 07:19 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:19 PM i wonder if they could add a point to their PFF grades by firing Luke Stocker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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