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ctm Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 There is Zero evidence that republicans will negotiate in good faith if Democrats agree to their CR. Zero IsntLifeFunny, OILERMAN, and Jamalisms 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 15 minutes ago, ctm said: There is Zero evidence that republicans will negotiate in good faith if Democrats agree to their CR. Zero Negative, actually. They refused to negotiate here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaTitan Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 10 hours ago, oldschool said: Spoken like someone who won't be impacted.... The Dems have no hope of getting any concessions out of this process. It’s pejorative for people like you. I know ur in the metro area…. Assuming you are impacted financially by all this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 2 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Negative, actually. They refused to negotiate here. Democrats have been talking about the expiration of the enhanced subsidies (ACA) for months, and pushed to get them extended as part of the GOP’s massive tax cut bill. That didn’t happen, and now lawmakers are facing a tight deadline of their own making. “The thing that is regrettable about it is they had lots of time discuss this. They could have discussed this at any point in the past year,” said Leighton Ku, a health policy professor and director of the Center for Health Policy Research at George Washington University. “Republicans took the effort to extend the 2017 tax cuts … they could have put the same sort of thought and attention to extending the Obamacare subsidies. They chose not to.” https://thehill.com/homenews/5529925-obamacare-premium-spikes-threat/ The whole article is worth a read because it explains the timing of health care notices going out in relation to the CR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 tgo, IsntLifeFunny, and Starkiller 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 So the enhanced subsidies that were enacted for the COVID pandemic and were set to end in 2025 are going to end. They were specifically added for the COVID pandemic. There is no more pandemic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ctm Posted October 1 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 1 The Trump tax cuts enacted in 2018 were also set to end. They were extended. tgo, OILERMAN, IsntLifeFunny, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 56 minutes ago, VaTitan said: I know ur in the metro area…. Assuming you are impacted financially by all this? Not personally I but I know lots of people who are on both sides of the aisle. The truth is, if you do the research, government shutdowns never go well for the opposition party. They never get want they want and the idea the Dems are using ACA subsidies as their holy grail here is laughable. at best, 24 million people get insurance through the ACA. The rest of the country isn't going to feel that pain and besides, for those 24 million, the increases are 3 months away. This standoff by Schumer is doomed to fail, the Dems will cave within days with nothing to show for it but another blackeye. What they should be doing is focusing on the economy and campaigning on it every day till the midterms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 1 hour ago, ctm said: There is Zero evidence that republicans will negotiate in good faith if Democrats agree to their CR. Zero yes... which is why you pass the 7 week CR and then flip the script on the GOP. my buddy who worked on the Hill for 20 years as a GOP staffer texted me last night and said the GOP is loving every second of this because they know Schumer is weak and ineffective. They are not concerned at all about some of the polls that show Americans put most of the blame on the Republicans here. The numbers are close enough and the overriding metric is that both parties are to blame. They expect more moderate dems to cave possibly as soon as today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/schumer_jeffries_letter_re_government_funding.pdf Jeffries and Schumer sent a letter to Johnson on Aug. 28, 2025 asking for a meeting to discuss healthcare. Johnson did nothing. Now republicans claim they won't negotiate while the government is shut down. Well, the government wasn't shut down from the end of August to the end of September. There is nothing to indicate that if the CR passes and the government is reopened that republicans will suddenly start negotiating on healthcare benefits. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't paying attention. Cutting benefits is how they are attempting to pay for the tax cuts for the billionaires. They aren't changing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 4 minutes ago, oldschool said: Not personally I but I know lots of people who are on both sides of the aisle. The truth is, if you do the research, government shutdowns never go well for the opposition party. They never get want they want and the idea the Dems are using ACA subsidies as their holy grail here is laughable. at best, 24 million people get insurance through the ACA. The rest of the country isn't going to feel that pain and besides, for those 24 million, the increases are 3 months away. This standoff by Schumer is doomed to fail, the Dems will cave within days with nothing to show for it but another blackeye. What they should be doing is focusing on the economy and campaigning on it every day till the midterms. Not necessarily. Trump's first term there was a short shut down and the Dems caved b/c McConnell promised them something then never delivered. Then later that year the shutdown lasted 35 days. And in the end Trump caved and most Americans blamed Republicans. No clue what will happen this time but Dems think Trump will blink https://politicalwire.com/2025/10/01/democrats-bet-trump-will-blink-first/ “Republicans might be united on the public stage as they face off with Democrats ahead of a government shutdown. But a much more divisive internal fight waits in the wings,” Politico reports. “The year-end expiration of health insurance subsidies first created under the Affordable Care Act is already splitting the GOP, seeming to vindicate Democrats’ decision to predicate their shutdown messaging on extending the tax credits.” “Republican leaders have been trying to punt the issue as they work to force Democratic senators to swallow a seven-week stopgap measure ahead of the midnight deadline, insisting they will not broach the subject while agencies are closed.” “But top Democrats said they heard a different message Monday in their Oval Office meeting with President Donald Trump, leaving the sitdown convinced he’s willing to negotiate on the expiring tax credits in the weeks ahead.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 1 minute ago, ctm said: https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/schumer_jeffries_letter_re_government_funding.pdf Jeffries and Schumer sent a letter to Johnson on Aug. 28, 2025 asking for a meeting to discuss healthcare. Johnson did nothing. Now republicans claim they won't negotiate while the government is shut down. Well, the government wasn't shut down from the end of August to the end of September. There is nothing to indicate that if the CR passes and the government is reopened that republicans will suddenly start negotiating on healthcare benefits. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't paying attention. Cutting benefits is how they are attempting to pay for the tax cuts for the billionaires. They aren't changing. No one seriously believes the GOP is willing to negotiate here... The point is passing the temp CR puts the blame squarely on them because they have claimed publicly they are open to negotiating. Its all about public perception. Nevermind the fact you know as well as I do, the dems have no leverage here. Voight is going to inflcit maximum pain on Government agencies, call today at 1pm to map it out with Congressional GOP members. How exactly do you think this ends favorably for democrats when 95% of Republicans support Trump lock step and most Democrats hate their party and know it needs to be torn down and rebuilt? How does this fight end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, oldschool said: No one seriously believes the GOP is willing to negotiate here... The point is passing the temp CR puts the blame squarely on them because they have claimed publicly they are open to negotiating. Its all about public perception. Nevermind the fact you know as well as I do, the dems have no leverage here. Voight is going to inflcit maximum pain on Government agencies, call today at 1pm to map it out with Congressional GOP members. How exactly do you think this ends favorably for democrats when 95% of Republicans support Trump lock step and most Democrats hate their party and know it needs to be torn down and rebuilt? How does this fight end? If you think the Republicans won't negotiate now, what evidence is there that they will do it later? You seem to be making the argument for just throwing in the towel and not attempting anything. And how exactly does this end favorably for republicans if their game plan is to inflict pain on the American people? Edited October 1 by ctm Jamalisms, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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