Rogue Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/ this comes closest to what I think mostly bc I dont think the red priests are inherently good. Hopefully the link works. Fan theories might need their own thread though in case some don't want to read them That's would be an interesting twist. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Yeah, gives a whole new meaning to "there must ALWAYS be a Stark in Winterfell." I love it. While it is hard to believe the guy has nailed it 100%, I am willing to bet he is very very close. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 It's an interesting theory, but I think it leaves out the Children of the Forrest. Clearly they and the First Men were fighting against the Others/White Walkers thousands of years prior. The wights can't enter the cave with the 3-Eyed Raven (who's identity I won't give in this non-spoiler thread, but isn't a Northerner). I think Melisandre would be on opposite sides of the conflict with the 3-Eyed Raven, but neither seem likely to side with the Others. Melisandre would be disposed to side with Dany and the Dragons. Jon probably would too. As for Bran, he will never walk again, but he will fly... Either way, I think the return of the Others may just be timed in accordance to prophecy and have nothing to do with any pact being broken. The Night King legend says he married what was presumably a female Other and, after committing atrocities, was overthrown by both the Starks and the King beyond the wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 http://www.businessinsider.com/game-of-thrones-cleganebowl-fan-theory-2015-5 Another one that I like. Those are the main two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I don't remember any talk about there being war between the Others and the Children of the Forrest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I don't remember any talk about there being war between the Others and the Children of the Forrest. the Children and the First Men fought together against the Others 8000 years before what we are watching/reading. Thousands of years prior to that, the Children and First Men fought each other but they came to a truce. The First Men ended up taking up their religion, thus the Northerners still follow the old gods. The Andals came later, with their own religion of the Seven, and eventually defeated most of the First Men and what was left of the Children. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 It's an interesting theory, but I think it leaves out the Children of the Forrest. Clearly they and the First Men were fighting against the Others/White Walkers thousands of years prior. The wights can't enter the cave with the 3-Eyed Raven (who's identity I won't give in this non-spoiler thread, but isn't a Northerner). I think Melisandre would be on opposite sides of the conflict with the 3-Eyed Raven, but neither seem likely to side with the Others. Melisandre would be disposed to side with Dany and the Dragons. Jon probably would too. As for Bran, he will never walk again, but he will fly... Either way, I think the return of the Others may just be timed in accordance to prophecy and have nothing to do with any pact being broken. The Night King legend says he married what was presumably a female Other and, after committing atrocities, was overthrown by both the Starks and the King beyond the wall. under that scenario it could be bc the children of the forest hasn't broken the treaty, only man has so they won't attack them and encroach on their territory. as far as bran flying that easily mean he'll warg into a crow or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 The wights did attack the cave and were laying in wait directly outside. They just could not enter the cave because of the Children's magic. And the Children attacked the wights to save Bran, so there must not be a pact preventing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) They were outside the cave. And they attacked Bran and his group of humans. Did they specifically say why they didn't enter? Can't remember and in the book it was another character that saved them and fought the wights, not the magic iirc. Could easily be some small things they had to change for the show when they took out that character that end up having some continuity issues (probably not the best word to use). But again I dont remember the specifics of the scene that well. Edited June 19, 2015 by reo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 In the books, one of the Children attacked the wights with fire like in the show. And undead things couldn't enter the cave because of their magic in the book, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 In the books, one of the Children attacked the wights with fire like in the show. And undead things couldn't enter the cave because of their magic in the book, too. but did the wights attack them? There's a difference. Bran is important enough for them to protect him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 The wights attacked the humans as they approached the cave and the Child came to their rescue. But the wights couldn't attack the Child because she was magically protected in the cave, so that tells us nothing. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 I doubt the guy is 100% dead on with his theory but I bet he is very close. Makes sense in the context of the whole theme of the book, the idea of balance that is clearly throughout, the rejection of the concept of good vs evil, and Martins personality. The white walkers have a legit beef and are on the move for a reason and it no doubt is tied to the Starks losing winter fell and the return of dragons and shit. And Jon snow no doubt is a critical figure in the middle of all this, however he emerged after getting stabbed. I really hope Martin gets to work and ties it all up, and does it well. I just thought of another way this theory has been foreshadowed. Dany has upset the balance of things in the east by knocking over cities and setting slaves free without any sort of long term plan for what comes next. It is spreading war and disease misery and chaos. And the red priests over there are fanning the flames. So too, is she on he her way to upsetting the delicate balance of fire and ice in Westeros? reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 Forgot about war between children and others long ago. Gotta read the books again and this time take my time. But still the children very easily could have reached an uneasy peace with the others if not a strict pact. Leave each other the fuck alone - you do your thing and I'll do mine. The children and their power is greatly diminished anyway at this point and the weir woods continue to be destroyed throughout Westeros. Or maybe the children fit in as a way to counter the others in the north, or maybe even have an agreement with them. Maybe the reason the others know about how things are going in the south is because of the children and their knowledge gained through the weirwooods. All different ways for the children to factor in to all of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 I highly doubt there was any sort of treaty with the Others to end the Long Night. I think they were just defeated and driven back to the lands of always winter. There could be some sort of magical connection to the Starks or to the return of dragons (which has strengthened magic everywhere), but I still think it is more likely just prophetic timing that the Others have returned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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