Jamalisms Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) But none of his daughters are the protagonists/main action heroes of the book so they don't need a dope as fuck sword. Precisely. That and Valyrian metal can be reworked (Ned's sword). You have daggers and such that are rare enough to be of note but plentiful enough that one shows up in the "kill Bran" scene and it's believable someone wagered it on a tilt. Get a handful of daggers and boom... Lannister sword. Edited June 1, 2015 by Jamalisms Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Except his daughters and his house. He took their most prized possession, a super special-awesome family heirloom you can't even buy, and gave it away. This wasn't last of the Mohicans or something. His line continues. First, things like titles don't pass down to women in most of Westeros. Perhaps the same would hold true for swords like this. According to the books, there are no other men in the family (Jeor's sister now rules the house, and she had only daughters, and none of those daughters produced sons except for 1 bastard). Secondly, he was in the Nights Watch. If he has possession of the sword, what else would he do with it? If he died and didn't pass it to someone he felt was worthy then it would have just been grabbed by some rapist or thief who was in the Watch. He saw something in Jon Snow from the start, which is why he made Jon his steward. Then Jon saved his life. Convenient plot point or not, it's totally rational based on the situation. Edited June 1, 2015 by Starkiller Legaltitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 First, things like titles don't pass down to women in most of Westeros. Perhaps the same would hold true for swords like this. According to the books, there are no other men in the family (Jeor's sister now rules the house, and she had only daughters, and none of those daughters produced sons except for 1 bastard). Secondly, he was in the Nights Watch. If he has possession of the sword, what else would he do with it? If he died and didn't pass it to someone he felt was worthy then it would have just been grabbed by some rapist or thief who was in the Watch. He saw something in Jon Snow from the start, which is why he made Jon his steward. Then Jon saved his life. Convenient plot point or not, it's totally rational based on the situation. Jon is also more his heir than any niece he could've shipped it to after he died. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Except his daughters and his house. He took their most prized possession, a super special-awesome family heirloom you can't even buy, and gave it away. This wasn't last of the Mohicans or something. His line continues. Well except for that whole part about how you give up all titles, lands, claims, family etc when you take the black. It's in the oath and all. That sword went right where it should have gone - it belonged to the wall more than it belonged to his former house. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Legal you just reinforced Jamal's point tenfold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 If he had another son, Jeor would have left him the sword. But if he thinks only men should run the family and hold the sword then it was where it should have been. Remember, he joined the Watch to turn over the family (and sword) to Jorah. Jorah embarrassed the house and went into exile after Jeor was already in the Watch and was unable to return to his house. So when Jorah left the sword, Jeor's sister would have had to send Longclaw to the Wall. So, that being the way events would have unfolded, it makes total sense. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 It is very definitely not... Yeah it is. It's fairly evident the main thrust of the show is Jon Snow trying to rescue princess Cersei being held captive by the Night's King. Jaqen and Arya are smugglers and getting ready to make a deal with the merchant to sneak some items into King's Landing. Reek and Sansa are on a mission to train Jon Snow in his unique sword, because not every body has one and requires training. Reek ultimately sacrifices himself. However, he still guides Jon to Sansa from beyond the grave. Tyrion and Daenarys are largely comic relief, but Tyrion has usefulness in opening doors, accessing control systems, and delivering messages. Spoiler alert....Jon Snow finds out the Night's King is his father. It's an old story. Starkiller, and CreepingDeath 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Ha, in the Millennium Dragon... You know nothing Jon Rogue! Rogue 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Ha, in the Millennium Dragon... You know nothing Jon Rogue! She dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 If he had another son, Jeor would have left him the sword. But if he thinks only men should run the family and hold the sword then it was where it should have been. Remember, he joined the Watch to turn over the family (and sword) to Jorah. Jorah embarrassed the house and went into exile after Jeor was already in the Watch and was unable to return to his house. So when Jorah left the sword, Jeor's sister would have had to send Longclaw to the Wall. So, that being the way events would have unfolded, it makes total sense. This is a crazy rationalization. The great houses aren't letting a valyrian blade leave the family if they are as rare as you are implying they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 This is a crazy rationalization. The great houses aren't letting a valyrian blade leave the family if they are as rare as you are implying they are. If the idea was that the entire house would vanish with no men to take over, then it makes sense to give it to Jeor to do with what he chooses. Again, it wouldn't normally happen but it was designed by GRRM to be a very unique situation for a reason. It is designed to fit the plot, but it still makes sense in the story as opposed to being a ridiculous plot device. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Unfortunately for the Lannisters, the Reynes of Castamere were about the only other house without a Valyrian sword to steal... oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 If the idea was that the entire house would vanish with no men to take over, then it makes sense to give it to Jeor to do with what he chooses. Again, it wouldn't normally happen but it was designed by GRRM to be a very unique situation for a reason. It is designed to fit the plot, but it still makes sense in the story as opposed to being a ridiculous plot device. Okay Reo. In reality it doesn't make any sense as a valyrian blade would be the most prized possession in the house and would be worth going to war over. The more likely scenario is that GRRM simply used the Mormont blade as a plot device and didn't account for fans over analyzing every little detail to death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercalius Posted June 1, 2015 Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) I can actually see both sides of the argument. But what about Littlefinger's dagger? It was returned without much incident and even in his made up story it was made to be an item that was put up in a bet. Though valuable, you'd think given the rarity that such an item would be completely off the table over something as trivial as a knight's tournament. Edited June 1, 2015 by Mercalius oldschool, and Jonboy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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