Jamalisms Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 @JonboyI think the book will have him warg ghost for a time and then Mel will bring him back. He won't stay in ghost but the prologue with Varamyr was definitely a knowledge drop for Jon's after death. Also, seemed Davos had surmised the Shireen burning last season. It is something of a shift to have him look to Mel. oldschool, and CreepingDeath 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonboy Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: @JonboyI think the book will have him warg ghost for a time and then Mel will bring him back. He won't stay in ghost but the prologue with Varamyr was definitely a knowledge drop for Jon's after death. So you think GRRM simply uses it as a mechanism to preserve Jon's thoughts/memories to make it plausible that he's still the same person once resurrected, unlike other resurrected characters we know in the book? Kinda what I'm leaning toward. Legaltitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 Yes. BTW, I'm predicting that Theon's "home" is Winterfell. Either he's planning to kill Ramsey or he just doesn't feel up to going home or maybe he's so broken that he still wants to stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 4 hours ago, Rogue said: What was Davos' motivation to bring Snow back? Did I miss something? And why not ask Melisandre if there was some magic to bring Stannis back instead? It all just seemed odd. It was a rather significant plot hole. I thought at least that Tormund could have told Davos that he thought that Snow would lead them in the fight against the Wight Walkers. Or that Melisandre could have told him that she thought he was Azor Ahai. But Davos didn't really seem to have a reason to be so insistent about her bringing Snow back. oldschool, and Legaltitan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Starkiller said: It was a rather significant plot hole. I thought at least that Tormund could have told Davos that he thought that Snow would lead them in the fight against the Wight Walkers. Or that Melisandre could have told him that she thought he was Azor Ahai. But Davos didn't really seem to have a reason to be so insistent about her bringing Snow back. Thought the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Ned thought very early in the books that Jon and Arya, unlike his other children, looked like Lyanna Yeah, that's part of the theory, but it looks like Lyanna's hair is similar to Ned's in color. Rob's was pretty dark, so maybe some Stark gene is very dark hair? Just wondering if the theory touches on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Starkiller said: It was a rather significant plot hole. I thought at least that Tormund could have told Davos that he thought that Snow would lead them in the fight against the Wight Walkers. Or that Melisandre could have told him that she thought he was Azor Ahai. But Davos didn't really seem to have a reason to be so insistent about her bringing Snow back. That's the way it felt to me. I just wasn't sure of that motivation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted May 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 10 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Yes. BTW, I'm predicting that Theon's "home" is Winterfell. Either he's planning to kill Ramsey This was my initial thought, but then when I saw the previews it made it sound like Theon was in play to replace his dad..... I bet the sister wins the battle or whatever she has to do to become "King" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) Since the notion of Tyrion being a targaryen has been mentioned I'll just come out and say it. I believe Tyrion, Danny, and Jon are all targaryen and represen the three heads of the dragon. @CreepingDeath there is an insane amount of foreshadowing on R+L=J in the books. It's almost considered a given. @Jonboy I go back and forth on fagon, let's call him that for now, and whether he's important or not. Considering D&D don't believe they have 20 episodes of material left it stands to reason fagon may not make the show. Edited May 2, 2016 by oldschool Typing on a kindle sucks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 54 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: This was my initial thought, but then when I saw the previews it made it sound like Theon was in play to replace his dad..... I bet the sister wins the battle or whatever she has to do to become "King" Well, I've read the books so I won't comment on that assuming the show will follow the same basic direction. But honestly the Ironborn don't seem to have a whole lot more value to the overall story than Dorne does. They sacked Winterfell and basically ended the Starks rule over the North. That's their only real value to the story so far. But as I said, I do think something important shows up at the kingsmoot, it just hasn't come into play in the books yet. CreepingDeath 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 I don't think you introduce Theon's uncle and kill off his dad (years after he was supposed to have died) unless the Ironborn are important somehow. Similarly, FAegon seems unlikely to show up since there's so little time left now. And R+L=J is cold, hard fact. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Jamalisms said: Yes. BTW, I'm predicting that Theon's "home" is Winterfell. Either he's planning to kill Ramsey or he just doesn't feel up to going home or maybe he's so broken that he still wants to stay. Good catch! I didn't consider that and it is a way better story. 1 hour ago, oldschool said: Since the notion of Tyrion being a targaryen has been mentioned I'll just come out and say it. I believe Tyrion, Danny, and Jon are all targaryen and represen the three heads of the dragon. @CreepingDeath there is an insane amount of foreshadowing on R+L=J in the books. It's almost considered a given. @Jonboy I go back and forth on fagon, let's call him that for now, and whether he's important or not. Considering D&D don't believe they have 20 episodes of material left it stands to reason fagon may not make the show. Think you may have misread my post. No arguing the R+L=J theory. I posted about Ramsey being more than a minor character. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 30 minutes ago, CreepingDeath said: Good catch! I didn't consider that and it is a way better story. Think you may have misread my post. No arguing the R+L=J theory. I posted about Ramsey being more than a minor character. Maybe. As for Ramsey he exists to drive Theon's redemption arc. The show has made him a central figure instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 So I just went to Barne's and Noble to pick up gift cards for teacher appreciation week and while checking out, the two cashier's starting talking about GoT and Jon's parentage. I busted out laughing which led to one of the cashier's asking me if I watch GoT. All I said R+L=J and dipped out. CreepingDeath 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 57 minutes ago, oldschool said: So I just went to Barne's and Noble to pick up gift cards for teacher appreciation week and while checking out, the two cashier's starting talking about GoT and Jon's parentage. I busted out laughing which led to one of the cashier's asking me if I watch GoT. All I said R+L=J and dipped out. I'm trying to envision how this might play out in such a way that'd make you look cool, but it isn't coming to me. So, the hair thing? The theory explain Snow's hair compared to Rhaegar's or Lyanna's? oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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