Patience and Hope

[Number9]

45 minutes ago, Supernope said:

I think number9 just likes to be the contrarian from time to time

We need someone to do the tough job.  I ain't winning no popularity contest.  

[Mythos27]

49 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Like?

 

 

 

You talk about him WAY more than I do lol.

[Mythos27]

44 minutes ago, Number9 said:

I'm all for that, but group think around here horrible. 

It can be but don't mistake consensus for group think. You don't have to agree with every single point to conclude that it was time to move on. For example, my biggest beef with Vrabel was his insistence in being involved in player acquisition. He needed to let the GMs do their jobs without his undue influence. I don't think he was a bad coach like many here do.

[FireInTheHole]

19 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

It can be but don't mistake consensus for group think. You don't have to agree with every single point to conclude that it was time to move on. For example, my biggest beef with Vrabel was his insistence in being involved in player acquisition. He needed to let the GMs do their jobs without his undue influence. I don't think he was a bad coach like many here do.

Not trying to be a dick, but what did he do that makes you think he wasn’t a bad coach?

[Number9]

9 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

It can be but don't mistake consensus for group think. You don't have to agree with every single point to conclude that it was time to move on. For example, my biggest beef with Vrabel was his insistence in being involved in player acquisition. He needed to let the GMs do their jobs without his undue influence. I don't think he was a bad coach like many here do.

I  see nothing wrong with that, but don't go kissing the owner's butt when she embarrasses JRob by firing him midseason the day after an embarrassing loss.  Has that move improved the team?  JRob's record as GM was 66-48.  Since firing JRob, the Titans have six wins and 20 losses.  

 

JRob brought in  Mike Vrabel*   Dean Pees*  Matt Lafleur*    

 

It is not about whether I like JRob or Vrabel.  It is about how my team is viewed by the NFL. We were a playoff team.  We got big games on TV.  Nashville is one of the hottest destinations in the country.  Not one known experienced successful GM applied for the job.  Okay.  Who came to apply for the HC position?  

 

There's a reason for that.  

 

 

[No1TitansFan]

1 hour ago, Mythos27 said:

It can be but don't mistake consensus for group think. You don't have to agree with every single point to conclude that it was time to move on. For example, my biggest beef with Vrabel was his insistence in being involved in player acquisition. He needed to let the GMs do their jobs without his undue influence. I don't think he was a bad coach like many here do.

History books are full of rooms of really smart men forming consensus over some really bad ideas. Group think and mob mentality are definitely real things.

[Mythos27]

5 hours ago, FireInTheHole said:

Not trying to be a dick, but what did he do that makes you think he wasn’t a bad coach?

Couple of things.

 

The team had a strong identity and rallied around it.

 

He had a very strong grasp of the rules/exploits.

 

Good clock management with few blunders mixed in.

 

The team routinely punched above it's weight early on. 

 

He was great at getting guys we acquired during the season mentally prepared to play quickly. 

 

I could list more if you really want me to but I think you get the gist. Obviously he also has things that I don't like but overall I think he's a good football coach. It's good personality and temperament that make him so flawed that his football acumen can't seem overcome it.

[MTownTitan1]

Jaylen Daniels already looks good just a few games in

Edited September 30, 2024 by MTownTitan1

[Supernope]

12 minutes ago, MTownTitan1 said:

Jaylen Daniels already looks good just a few games in

All they had to do to get Daniels was stick with their QB for all 17 games 

Edited September 30, 2024 by Supernope

[Number9]

2 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

 

I could list more if you really want me to but I think you get the gist. Obviously he also has things that I don't like but overall I think he's a good football coach. It's good personality and temperament that make him so flawed that his football acumen can't seem overcome it.

That's a fault high achieving individuals have.  They can see farther and understand better, but lack the ability to accept input.  

[Stevenths78]

Vrabel sucks he took over a 13 wins Browns team and they are now 1-3. Vrabel is why the Titans fell off in a big way. He will never be a good HC anywhere else, this is entirely different than the Derrick Henry situation 

Edited September 30, 2024 by Stevenths78

[Stevenths78]

If you want to know how good Vrabel is just look at the 2020 Titans defense. Vrabel could not coach, he never could. He was just a talking head, not a guy who could scheme or think of anything valuable. 
 

Amy sucks though, and I’ll agree there. The Adams family is a cancer. 

[Mythos27]

17 minutes ago, Stevenths78 said:

Vrabel sucks he took over a 13 wins Browns team and they are now 1-3. Vrabel is why the Titans fell off in a big way. He will never be a good HC anywhere else, this is entirely different than the Derrick Henry situation 

I think it's a stretch to say he "took over" the Browns. The dude is barely an assistant. Also, Watson is the main reason they suck. 

[Stevenths78]

2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I think it's a stretch to say he "took over" the Browns. The dude is barely an assistant. Also, Watson is the main reason they suck. 

Watson was the QB last year too when they went 11-6 for half the season. 

Edited September 30, 2024 by Stevenths78

[rns90]

18 minutes ago, Stevenths78 said:

Vrabel sucks he took over a 13 wins Browns team and they are now 1-3. Vrabel is why the Titans fell off in a big way. He will never be a good HC anywhere else, this is entirely different than the Derrick Henry situation 

What on earth are you talking about?  He isn’t even a coordinator on the Browns.  Their problem is Watson sucks and I’m not sure how you are blaming him for that.

 

I don’t even like Vrabel that much but I think he’s a good coach who may never be great because of terminal flaws.  And he definitely needs a strong GM.