IsntLifeFunny Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Which the roster certainly is a problem, but that is mutually exclusive to his philosophy of letting off the gas with leads and thinking that physically imposing one's will on a team is the main goal. Scoring points and affecting the opposing QB is the main mission. That is done through the passing game on both sides. You can have the number 1 ranked rushing offense and defense and still be a bottom feeder if you can't protect your QB or affect the other QB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Titans279 said: W/o Tannehill we coulda been in range of Tua or Herbert. I think either of them coulda bought them more time. It would be funny if they passed over them due to race/culture in Tua's case and college in Herbert's case. Neither of them seem like Vrabel guys. Solid chance we get Brady in FA with definite higher draft picks and actually get a better T in the first and a QB to sit and learn- like Hurts. Tannehill fucked us from the get-go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 50 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Which the roster certainly is a problem, but that is mutually exclusive to his philosophy of letting off the gas with leads and thinking that physically imposing one's will on a team is the main goal. Scoring points and affecting the opposing QB is the main mission. That is done through the passing game on both sides. You can have the number 1 ranked rushing offense and defense and still be a bottom feeder if you can't protect your QB or affect the other QB. What Meathead doesn't realize is that the running game is a complement and the offense must run through the qb. You can use the RB as a grind out the clock and a change up to the passing game but your explosive plays will come out of the passing game. That means getting WR who can separate and have juice and a pass blocking OL. I watched bits and pieces of SEA@DAL and those teams have way more speed than we do, actually everyone else does outside of the Pats. The pass defense is a little different because I think he knows that affecting the qb is #1. It just contradicts with his conservative philosophy as a HC. I mean he plays the soft zone (even when the defense had players) because he believes that'll bleed off the clock and make it easier to win. I don't think he realizes that letting the other qb getting into a groove is a bad thing. Also, it's quite comical that they preached getting turnovers on defense, yet I think they maybe last in forcing them on defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 9 hours ago, rns90 said: What Meathead doesn't realize is that the running game is a complement and the offense must run through the qb. You can use the RB as a grind out the clock and a change up to the passing game but your explosive plays will come out of the passing game. That means getting WR who can separate and have juice and a pass blocking OL. I watched bits and pieces of SEA@DAL and those teams have way more speed than we do, actually everyone else does outside of the Pats. The pass defense is a little different because I think he knows that affecting the qb is #1. It just contradicts with his conservative philosophy as a HC. I mean he plays the soft zone (even when the defense had players) because he believes that'll bleed off the clock and make it easier to win. I don't think he realizes that letting the other qb getting into a groove is a bad thing. Also, it's quite comical that they preached getting turnovers on defense, yet I think they maybe last in forcing them on defense. Almost everything he says turns out the opposite. He was going to take use from good to great, not run into stacked boxes, not trade AJ while he is coach, defense is going to get more turnovers....it's insane that people still believe anything that comes from his mouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oldschool Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 1:00 AM, rns90 said: What Meathead doesn't realize is that the running game is a complement and the offense must run through the qb. You can use the RB as a grind out the clock and a change up to the passing game but your explosive plays will come out of the passing game. That means getting WR who can separate and have juice and a pass blocking OL. I watched bits and pieces of SEA@DAL and those teams have way more speed than we do, actually everyone else does outside of the Pats. The pass defense is a little different because I think he knows that affecting the qb is #1. It just contradicts with his conservative philosophy as a HC. I mean he plays the soft zone (even when the defense had players) because he believes that'll bleed off the clock and make it easier to win. I don't think he realizes that letting the other qb getting into a groove is a bad thing. Also, it's quite comical that they preached getting turnovers on defense, yet I think they maybe last in forcing them on defense. Read this... Super interesting especially when you account for BB's and Tomlin's tenures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 5 hours ago, oldschool said: Read this... Super interesting especially when you account for BB's and Tomlin's tenures. Read the entire article. We are fucked if Vrabel stays. There was some stat later on in the article, something to the effect of if you have a top 5 offense only you have a 14% chance to go to the super bowl. Top 5 Defense only the percentage chance drops to 8%. Just doing enough on offense combined with a strong defense doesn't work anymore. You gotta score and score a lot. He needs to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 Not only does Vrabel do it wrong, he does stubbornly, brags about it and thinks he's smarter than everyone doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 17 hours ago, rns90 said: Read the entire article. We are fucked if Vrabel stays. There was some stat later on in the article, something to the effect of if you have a top 5 offense only you have a 14% chance to go to the super bowl. Top 5 Defense only the percentage chance drops to 8%. Just doing enough on offense combined with a strong defense doesn't work anymore. You gotta score and score a lot. He needs to go. The part I found surprising was that on average, offensive minded HCs have higher ranked defenses based on EPA than defensive minded HCs. I imagine there are 2 main reasons for that: 1. better offenses spend more time with the lead therefore making the opposing offenses more predictable which leads to better defensive EPA 2. Offensive HCs seem much more willing to turn the defensive side of the ball over to a DC with minimal interference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, oldschool said: The part I found surprising was that on average, offensive minded HCs have higher ranked defenses based on EPA than defensive minded HCs. I imagine there are 2 main reasons for that: 1. better offenses spend more time with the lead therefore making the opposing offenses more predictable which leads to better defensive EPA 2. Offensive HCs seem much more willing to turn the defensive side of the ball over to a DC with minimal interference. So, they don’t hire their best friends to fill all 3 coordinator spots? What idiots! Vrabel playing chess not checkers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, oldschool said: The part I found surprising was that on average, offensive minded HCs have higher ranked defenses based on EPA than defensive minded HCs. Kyle Shanahan has went on and one about how important it is to have a good defense to compliment the offense. He understands perfectly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 On 11/27/2023 at 8:54 PM, NashvilleNinja said: No refutation point, huh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 57 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: No refutation point, huh? How is an eyeroll supposed to be a "refutation?" And what was I supposed to be refuting anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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