Argentina's Trump bound for Presidency?

[OILERMAN]

1 hour ago, Justafan said:

It is on both sides.

As for the rest of this, though, Gregory Meeks

 

 

I seriously had to google him

[Starkiller]

5 hours ago, Justafan said:

As for the rest of this, though, Gregory Meeks and Menendez are as corrupt as anyone on the right.

I’ve never even heard of Meeks. As for Menendez, Democrats have roundly called him out and called for him to step down. Dems have no problems calling out corruption in their own party while Republicans routinely protect and defend their assholes. Neither party has zero corruption, but it matters how they handle it when it comes out.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Justafan said:

The progressive left has just as authoritarian and invasive ideas as the far-right.  They want to control how people talk, they want to legislate how people converse, debate, and even think. 

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Specifically what “authoritarian and invasive ideas” does the left promote? Making people wear masks and get vaccinated during a pandemic? Punishing racism? 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Justafan said:

AOC and the Squad are as bad as Majorie Taylor Greene in their own way. They want to warp the country into something that is not supported by the Constitution. Their warped sense of fairness is damaging, and their message corrupts. 

 

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Specifically what is it you have been convinced they want to do that is so unconstitutional?

 

 

5 hours ago, Justafan said:

Don't even get me started on the social issues that aren't even real issues. 

Again, no idea what you are referring to…

[Justafan]

30 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

I’ve never even heard of Meeks. As for Menendez, Democrats have roundly called him out and called for him to step down. Dems have no problems calling out corruption in their own party while Republicans routinely protect and defend their assholes. Neither party has zero corruption, but it matters how they handle it when it comes out.

 

 

 

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Specifically what “authoritarian and invasive ideas” does the left promote? Making people wear masks and get vaccinated during a pandemic? Punishing racism? 

 

 

 

 

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Specifically what is it you have been convinced they want to do that is so unconstitutional?

 

 

Again, no idea what you are referring to…

You've never heard of Meeks because he's a corrupt asshole who's been routinely defended by Democrats in NY.

 

I'm not going down the rabbit hole, but to pretend like the far-left doesn't have ideas they want to impose on the rest of the country that borders on religious ideology is disingenuous.  To pretend like there are no authoritarians on the left is intentional ignorance. I don't want to derail this thread, so don't take it there, but the left doesn't believe in equality. They believe in unequal identities and identity politics. They are almost anti- libertarianism, anti-merit-based society, and this idea that only populists are on the right is also wrong.  The far left believes in collective responsibility over individual responsibility, they've worked diligently to undermine the law to recreate the US in line with values that are not expressed in the Constitution, and they've promoted radical Islamism even working to undermine the pro-American message.  Again, that's all I'm going to comment on that, I know what you'll try to do, so save it and don't. 

[Strunk'sDessert]

I'm going to kick myself for jumping into the fray here, and I really do to want to...

 

But the radical left is much smaller in numbers in terms of leadership positions and overall numbers than the radical/average right politician. 

 

The Gang gets headlines, but they're not holding powerful committee seats - can't remember, but AOC may have gotten 1 this past congress. But they're just clickbait for the right fearmongerers. And most normal Dems really struggle with them. 

 

The insane right has incredible influence within their party. MTG is on a couple of committees. Gaetz held congress hostage for a few weeks. Trump, the one you say is a threat to our democracy & constitution, is their absolute leader. Hell, the new Speaker aligns more with a 17th century Protestant preacher than any modern statesman in recent history. 

 

I don't think most sane people here have a problem with saying that both parties suck at the expense of the American people. It's the forced equivocation that seems so odd and puzzling coming from you. 

 

I'm no hard-core lefty by any means, but goddamned, the difference is real over the last 15 years. 

 

Not to mention, by any actual political ideology spectrum, Biden is almost center right in how he speaks and executes.  This country is far right by any other moderate, developed country's standards. Any objective, reputable political scientist would agree with that sentiment. 

 

Again, both have issues, but trying to shoehorn an equivalency seems far below your standards. But to each their own. We'll both sleep fine tonight either way haha

Edited December 18, 2023 by Strunk'sDessert

[Starkiller]

48 minutes ago, Justafan said:

You've never heard of Meeks because he's a corrupt asshole who's been routinely defended by Democrats in NY.

I’ve apparently never heard of him because no one outside of NY has ever heard of him…

 

 

48 minutes ago, Justafan said:

I'm not going down the rabbit hole, but to pretend like the far-left doesn't have ideas they want to impose on the rest of the country that borders on religious ideology is disingenuous.  To pretend like there are no authoritarians on the left is intentional ignorance. I don't want to derail this thread, so don't take it there, but the left doesn't believe in equality. They believe in unequal identities and identity politics. They are almost anti- libertarianism, anti-merit-based society, and this idea that only populists are on the right is also wrong.  The far left believes in collective responsibility over individual responsibility, they've worked diligently to undermine the law to recreate the US in line with values that are not expressed in the Constitution, and they've promoted radical Islamism even working to undermine the pro-American message.  Again, that's all I'm going to comment on that, I know what you'll try to do, so save it and don't. 

Again, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Feel free to provide some specifics, but without that you sound like you are just spouting some Fox News style propaganda.

[Justafan]

2 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

I’ve apparently never heard of him because no one outside of NY has ever heard of him…

 

 

Again, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Feel free to provide some specifics, but without that you sound like you are just spouting some Fox News style propaganda.

lol. Yea. Sure. 

[Starkiller]

32 minutes ago, Strunk'sDessert said:

I'm going to kick myself for jumping into the fray here, and I really do to want to...

 

But the radical left is much smaller in numbers in terms of leadership positions and overall numbers than the radical/average right politician. 

 

The Gang gets headlines, but they're not holding powerful committee seats - can't remember, but AOC may have gotten 1 this past congress. But they're just clickbait for the right fearmongerers. And most normal Dems really struggle with them. 

 

The insane right has incredible influence within their party. MTG is on a couple of committees. Gaetz held congress hostage for a few weeks. Trump, the one you say is a threat to our democracy & constitution, is their absolute leader. Hell, the new Speaker aligns more with a 17th century Protestant preacher than any modern statesman in recent history. 

 

I don't think most sane people here have a problem with saying that both parties suck at the expense of the American people. It's the forced equivocation that seems so odd and puzzling coming from you. 

 

I'm no hard-core lefty by any means, but goddamned, the difference is real over the last 15 years. 

 

Not to mention, by any actual political ideology spectrum, Biden is almost center right in how he speaks and executes.  This country is far right by any other moderate, developed country's standards. Any objective, reputable political scientist would agree with that sentiment. 

 

Again, both have issues, but trying to shoehorn an equivalency seems far below your standards. But to each their own. We'll both sleep fine tonight either way haha

The “extreme left” wants to enact universal healthcare, make sure every citizen can vote, and invest in renewable energy. The mainstream right wants to ban LGBT people from having equal rights, keep schools from teaching the darker parts of our history, push extremist Christian beliefs on everyone, etc.

[Starkiller]

5 minutes ago, Justafan said:

lol. Yea. Sure. 

Just admit you can’t come up with any details to back up your argument…

[Justafan]

1 minute ago, Starkiller said:

Just admit you can’t come up with any details to back up your argument…

I asked you not to derail the thread. I knew you would do this. 

 

I told you that was all I was going to comment on it. I'm done. Learn to live with disappointment. 

[Justafan]

1 hour ago, Strunk'sDessert said:

I'm going to kick myself for jumping into the fray here, and I really do to want to...

 

But the radical left is much smaller in numbers in terms of leadership positions and overall numbers than the radical/average right politician. 

 

The Gang gets headlines, but they're not holding powerful committee seats - can't remember, but AOC may have gotten 1 this past congress. But they're just clickbait for the right fearmongerers. And most normal Dems really struggle with them. 

 

The insane right has incredible influence within their party. MTG is on a couple of committees. Gaetz held congress hostage for a few weeks. Trump, the one you say is a threat to our democracy & constitution, is their absolute leader. Hell, the new Speaker aligns more with a 17th century Protestant preacher than any modern statesman in recent history. 

 

I don't think most sane people here have a problem with saying that both parties suck at the expense of the American people. It's the forced equivocation that seems so odd and puzzling coming from you. 

 

I'm no hard-core lefty by any means, but goddamned, the difference is real over the last 15 years. 

 

Not to mention, by any actual political ideology spectrum, Biden is almost center right in how he speaks and executes.  This country is far right by any other moderate, developed country's standards. Any objective, reputable political scientist would agree with that sentiment. 

 

Again, both have issues, but trying to shoehorn an equivalency seems far below your standards. But to each their own. We'll both sleep fine tonight either way haha

Really trying not to derail the thread here. I'll just reiterate for the 1000 time... I'm not making an equivalency argument. The current Republican party is definitely worse than the current Democratic party if for no other reason than the leader is Trump and there are enough people who think just like him in positions of power. 

 

That's not something to brag about though. Dems are still trash. 

[Justafan]

Now that we've completely gone off topic:

 

https://www.ft.com/content/8588269b-588e-4a66-bb1f-00d9d0d66504

[Strunk'sDessert]

14 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Really trying not to derail the thread here. I'll just reiterate for the 1000 time... I'm not making an equivalency argument. The current Republican party is definitely worse than the current Democratic party if for no other reason than the leader is Trump and there are enough people who think just like him in positions of power. 

 

That's not something to brag about though. Dems are still trash. 

 

Cool, must've missed the other 999 times... don't have time to monitor like I used to... not a stab at you by any means, just where my schedule is at in life. 

 

Get where you're coming from, but still mildly disagree. Like I've said, really appreciate your input, but if we disagree, I'm sure we'll both happily survive. 

 

Don't want to derail further, either. If it's worthy of another thread, maybe I'll jump back in further. 

[IrishTitansFan]

On 12/16/2023 at 6:26 PM, Jamalisms said:

I'm seeing a smattering of reports that the new govt has announced a total crackdown on protests.

 

I'll need to see details as reports crystallize but transition towards an authoritarian government is troubling and quite scary.

I saw the declaration.

 

It's worrying in it's wording but at the moment it seems to focus on protests that block streets

 

But definitely a bad start

[IsntLifeFunny]

10 hours ago, Strunk'sDessert said:

 

 

 This country is far right by any other moderate, developed country's standards. Any objective, reputable political scientist would agree with that sentiment. 

 

 

I'm definitely not a scientist, but I do have a degree in Polisci. This is 100% correct. I'm only quoting this because just last night I had a 30 minute conversation with a couple from New Zealand here in the states on a 5 week road trip.

 

Most of the conversation wasn't about politics, but it did come up. When I explained to them what is happening with the voucher programs in our education systems in TN they were not only shocked, but the lady Kate was actively appalled. They then told me they were essentially conservatives in their country. I said to them verbatim "over here, especially in the south, you would be considered a liberal socialist". We chuckled and carried on but you could see it made pause and reflect. 

 

What the Right tries to paint as communist/socialist is essentially common sense for even conservatives in most Western countries. Our far right more resembles that of Russia and Hungary. They want a dictator. It simply isn't close at this point in time the level of corruption and mass programing from the two sides. The only thing I can think of from the left where I pause is about Trans kids and DEI being applied directly in the government and how that trickles down. That's a far cry from the threat posed by the right. 

[IrishTitansFan]

5 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I'm definitely not a scientist, but I do have a degree in Polisci. This is 100% correct. I'm only quoting this because just last night I had a 30 minute conversation with a couple from New Zealand here in the states on a 5 week road trip.

 

Most of the conversation wasn't about politics, but it did come up. When I explained to them what is happening with the voucher programs in our education systems in TN they were not only shocked, but the lady Kate was actively appalled. They then told me they were essentially conservatives in their country. I said to them verbatim "over here, especially in the south, you would be considered a liberal socialist". We chuckled and carried on but you could see it made pause and reflect. 

 

What the Right tries to paint as communist/socialist is essentially common sense for even conservatives in most Western countries. Our far right more resembles that of Russia and Hungary. They want a dictator. It simply isn't close at this point in time the level of corruption and mass programing from the two sides. The only thing I can think of from the left where I pause is about Trans kids and DEI being applied directly in the government and how that trickles down. That's a far cry from the threat posed by the right. 

Ireland's two main political parties are centre-right but would be firmly on the left in the US

 

Now outside actors from the UK/US are stirring up people here and the far right is growing, they consider the government way too liberal, but they're still a very big minority

 

The Ireland PMs hero is Reagan!