OILERMAN Posted February 18, 2024 Report Share Posted February 18, 2024 95% cuts in education? LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted February 18, 2024 Report Share Posted February 18, 2024 3 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: No they don't.... Trump has no policy goals, none, not one. Okay. Trump is part of the Republican Party, which historically has supported smaller government and a freer market and is currently pushing for more non-interventionist globalism. There is a similarity in that respect. I would argue that's where the similarities end. People don't like Milei because he had nice things to say about the Trump administration, and his agenda threatens to promote free market economics while once again crushing the idea that socialist economies are viable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted February 18, 2024 Report Share Posted February 18, 2024 6 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: 95% cuts in education? LOL It's misleading. It's mostly due to unsustainable pensions and an incredibly bloated education budget at the federal level from a poor country that is hamstrung by debt. They have to make severe cuts to turn things around. They are basically saying that it is the province (state)'s responsibility to provide education, which is what their constitution says. The big danger, according to the article, and I agree with it, is the dissent from the governors. If they all turn against him, it could trigger something nasty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted February 18, 2024 Report Share Posted February 18, 2024 7 hours ago, Jamalisms said: More the approach than the goal, correct? If they couldn't do this much, that would be troubling. I doubt that account tracks or reports on it but the impact of the cuts is the counterbalance. The more severe the impact, the more troubling the approach. It's fair that there will be negative consequences, but they've dug themselves such a terrible hole that they will never dig their way out of it without negative consequences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted February 18, 2024 Report Share Posted February 18, 2024 3 hours ago, Justafan said: Trump is part of the Republican Party, which historically has supported smaller government and a freer market and is currently pushing for more non-interventionist globalism. Trump isn't "part of the Republican party". What's left of the Republican party is part of the Trump cult. They don't even run on policy because no one buys what they claim anymore. It's why Trump took over the party. The Republican party is for smaller government in terms of deregulation, social safety nets, taxes on the wealthy etc....But when real things happen they run for government help. Obviously they think the government should control women in terms of choosing. Remember John Boehner literally crying on the house floor for bank bailouts in 08? Please help us big government! There are a million other examples. Starkiller, IsntLifeFunny, and MadMax 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted February 18, 2024 Report Share Posted February 18, 2024 2 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Trump isn't "part of the Republican party". What's left of the Republican party is part of the Trump cult. They don't even run on policy because no one buys what they claim anymore. It's why Trump took over the party. The Republican party is for smaller government in terms of deregulation, social safety nets, taxes on the wealthy etc....But when real things happen they run for government help. Obviously they think the government should control women in terms of choosing. Remember John Boehner literally crying on the house floor for bank bailouts in 08? Please help us big government! There are a million other examples. Yeah, I don't really disagree with any of that. I was simply pointing out why people were drawing the link. I already said they aren't the same. I do think there is a branch of the Republican party that still believes those things. They just don't have much power these days because, as you said, the Trump cult calls the shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted February 18, 2024 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2024 Almost all of those people retired awhile ago. Many of them were forced into it by the MAGA mob. IsntLifeFunny, Justafan, and OILERMAN 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted February 18, 2024 Report Share Posted February 18, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jamalisms said: Almost all of those people retired awhile ago. Many of them were forced into it by the MAGA mob. Fair point. A lot of them have been run out of Washington by the Trump crowd. There are a few still screaming at the top of their lungs, and they make great points by the way, but that number has dwindled and is largely only a handful of senators that don't really have to worry about being primaried. It is far more prevalent among governors and state governments though. Once Trump is gone, I expect a resurgence from that wing to overtake the populism and culture war stupidity. Edited February 18, 2024 by Justafan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted February 18, 2024 Report Share Posted February 18, 2024 It’s also worth noting that Trump supporting small government and de-regulation has nothing to do with traditional conservative principles or beliefs. As the center of his own universe, Trump feels he’s entitled to do whatever the hell he wants whenever the mood hits him. And it would be much easier if he didn’t have to deal with minor annoyances like federal laws, regulations, and government oversight. begooode, and MadMax 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted February 19, 2024 Report Share Posted February 19, 2024 4 hours ago, nine said: It’s also worth noting that Trump supporting small government and de-regulation has nothing to do with traditional conservative principles or beliefs. As the center of his own universe, Trump feels he’s entitled to do whatever the hell he wants whenever the mood hits him. And it would be much easier if he didn’t have to deal with minor annoyances like federal laws, regulations, and government oversight. Trump decimated the state department during his tenure — hollowing out decades of experience from foreign service experts, and even undermining his own department heads. Essentially declaring: ‘I’m the only person that matters, what I say is the policy! [at the moment] You’ve seen that very strongly!’ The man is an impetuous idiot without knowledge or gafs about the world at large. Repubs know this and don’t care. ‘We need a little crazy!!’ byuk, byuk… while Putin is in his head 24/7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted February 19, 2024 Report Share Posted February 19, 2024 7 hours ago, Justafan said: Fair point. A lot of them have been run out of Washington by the Trump crowd. There are a few still screaming at the top of their lungs, and they make great points by the way, but that number has dwindled and is largely only a handful of senators that don't really have to worry about being primaried. It is far more prevalent among governors and state governments though. Once Trump is gone, I expect a resurgence from that wing to overtake the populism and culture war stupidity. The core principles of Trumpism and the MAGA mentality have always been there; Trump simply gave them a name, a slogan, and a great big Trump flag to rally around. As has been said before, Trump wasn’t so much the creator of this movement and mindset as much as he was a symptom and the culmination of something that had been slowly building over a long period. But what made Trump such a perfect candidate wasn’t just his rhetoric but also his name recognition and celebrity sprung from decades of shameless self-promotion and self-aggrandizing. It was a perfect storm situation….one that is unlikely to be repeated, IMO. Once Trump’s star inevitably fades and his time has passed…IMO, it won’t be as simple as some other similarly brash candidate stepping in to pick up the mantle with the same rhetoric and messaging. DeSantis and Ramaswamy tried desperately to win over Trump supporters…but DeSantis had zero charisma or personality; Ramaswamy said all the right things for MAGA but was neither white enough nor Christian enough for their liking. Obviously, the biggest thing that rendered them irrelevant was Trump’s name on the ballot….but their resounding failure also showed that replacing Trump will require more than just messaging and rhetoric. MAGA voters have grown accustomed to cheering a brash larger-than-life candidate who’s more rock star than politician….and while these voters would never change sides, I suspect many of them simply won’t bother to show up for a less interesting and less engaging candidate. And I’d say the odds of the GOP finding another over-the-top perfect storm candidate like Trump are pretty slim. MadMax, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 3, 2024 Report Share Posted March 3, 2024 This clown spoke at CPAC and basically talked about how people shouldn't have to pay taxes. Of course the Republicans love him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 3, 2024 Report Share Posted March 3, 2024 (edited) On 2/18/2024 at 8:07 PM, nine said: The core principles of Trumpism and the MAGA mentality have always been there; Trump simply gave them a name, a slogan, and a great big Trump flag to rally around. As has been said before, Trump wasn’t so much the creator of this movement and mindset as much as he was a symptom and the culmination of something that had been slowly building over a long period. But what made Trump such a perfect candidate wasn’t just his rhetoric but also his name recognition and celebrity sprung from decades of shameless self-promotion and self-aggrandizing. It was a perfect storm situation….one that is unlikely to be repeated, IMO. Once Trump’s star inevitably fades and his time has passed…IMO, it won’t be as simple as some other similarly brash candidate stepping in to pick up the mantle with the same rhetoric and messaging. DeSantis and Ramaswamy tried desperately to win over Trump supporters…but DeSantis had zero charisma or personality; Ramaswamy said all the right things for MAGA but was neither white enough nor Christian enough for their liking. Obviously, the biggest thing that rendered them irrelevant was Trump’s name on the ballot….but their resounding failure also showed that replacing Trump will require more than just messaging and rhetoric. MAGA voters have grown accustomed to cheering a brash larger-than-life candidate who’s more rock star than politician….and while these voters would never change sides, I suspect many of them simply won’t bother to show up for a less interesting and less engaging candidate. And I’d say the odds of the GOP finding another over-the-top perfect storm candidate like Trump are pretty slim. Reading this I started getting flashes of Kid Rock running for president...I'm only halfway joking. Edited March 3, 2024 by IsntLifeFunny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 3, 2024 Report Share Posted March 3, 2024 1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Reading this I started getting flashes of Kid Rock running for preaident...I'm only halfway joking. He'd be better than Trump, seriously Justafan, IsntLifeFunny, and MadMax 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 3, 2024 Report Share Posted March 3, 2024 12 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: He'd be better than Trump, seriously Low bar. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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