Trump Indicted By DC Grand Jury

[Titandan]

Just now, Mythos27 said:

The reason I don't "give Trump the benefit of the doubt as well" is because I didn't give the others the benefit of the doubt either. That's the beauty of having principles outside of what is convenient for you; it allows you to be logically. morally consistent rather than an opportunistic hypocrite. It's what I base my world view on. I can accept extenuating circumstances and material differences but I'm always going to try to be as objective as I can be. 

But none of the others got prosecuted, my man.  

Not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt doesn't matter when you're not the one who's investigating these presidents. 

It's selective outrage, my friend. 

[Titandan]

And some of you will call me a Trump Nut hugger. 

Stop forcing me to defend someone that I care very little about.  

When someone is continually getting beat up, it makes me question why that person is singled out.  When I don't see the punishment fitting the crime, it makes me question the people who are dealing out the punishment.  Bully like behavior doesn't sit well with me generally speaking... unless the victim is pedo. 

[Mythos27]

4 minutes ago, Titandan said:

But none of the others got prosecuted, my man.  

Not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt doesn't matter when you're not the one who's investigating these presidents. 

It's selective outrage, my friend. 

No. It isn't. Things change over time and there is a first for everything. If Trump is the first to be held to account and then subsequent presidents don't you'll have a point but that's yet to be seen. Your side had no problem launching unending investigations into Hillary (remember Benghazi?) but you cry like little bitches when Trump, who is probably the most corrupt president in history, gets rightfully investigated for like a quarter of the terrible shit he's done. That's selective outrage. I say investigate them all and let God sort'em out, you claim to want every president to get the benefit of the doubt but will undoubtedly only be that charitable to republicans. 

[Mythos27]

4 minutes ago, Titandan said:

And some of you will call me a Trump Nut hugger. 

Stop forcing me to defend someone that I care very little about.  

When someone is continually getting beat up, it makes me question why that person is singled out.  When I don't see the punishment fitting the crime, it makes me question the people who are dealing out the punishment.  Bully like behavior doesn't sit well with me generally speaking... unless the victim is pedo. 

Your problem is that you have identified with the actually bully. All you see is people coming after Trump but you're incapable of seeing what Trump did to bring it upon himself. Actions have consequences. Trump has actually gotten preferential treatment at every turn due to his status as former president and wealth. It's hard to take you seriously when you act as though Trump is an innocent victim; he is neither. 

[Strunk'sDessert]

5 minutes ago, Titandan said:

And some of you will call me a Trump Nut hugger. 

Stop forcing me to defend someone that I care very little about.  

When someone is continually getting beat up, it makes me question why that person is singled out.  When I don't see the punishment fitting the crime, it makes me question the people who are dealing out the punishment.  Bully like behavior doesn't sit well with me generally speaking... unless the victim is pedo. 

 

Me thinks thou doth protest too much...

 

If you don't care about him, why the bloviated messages and hours spent speaking up for him?

 

Do you have any policy points that you disagree with Trump on? When he was in office, did he ever have a policy gaff?

[begooode]

lol, going with the Alan Dershowitz claim — I’m only defending the guy cuz (insert bullshit excuse when it’s most likely vanity “I’m the enlightened contrarian”, and a desire for relevance). Then everything fits conveniently into a dismissive “it’s all TDS! Let me explain it to you”,.. while ignoring mountains of real evidence and court cases and records showing that the derangement is really in mass from Trump followers/media enablers in coping with their cognitive dissonance.

 

[Titandan]

What I've been saying all along...

People prosecuting real estate "crime" should have at least an elementary level understanding in real estate. 

Seriously don't know how people like this get away with this shit. Friends in high places?
 

 

[Starkiller]

1 hour ago, ChemEngr79 said:

 

Given the proximity to the election coupled with the known Kremlin ramp-up in FUD...I suspect this is likely a paid actor and we should ignore and stop quoting.

I doubt he’s being paid, just some idiot defending his cult leader with whatever talking points they get from Fox News or wherever.

[Titandan]

1 hour ago, Mythos27 said:

Your problem is that you have identified with the actually bully. All you see is people coming after Trump but you're incapable of seeing what Trump did to bring it upon himself. Actions have consequences. Trump has actually gotten preferential treatment at every turn due to his status as former president and wealth. It's hard to take you seriously when you act as though Trump is an innocent victim; he is neither. 

Do you really think political bullying happens in broad daylight? 

There's a lot of backhand deals going on in DC.  In that manner, Trump is a horrible politician.  He calls out the bullshitters in public and his base loves it. It's like a breath of fresh air that we actually see someone call out the corruption in real time.  

Is Trump right all the time? Probably not.  But he's right a lot.  "They're eating the dogs." "Kamala's got a phone app to bring illegals."  

Sounds almost as stupid as Alex Jones saying, "The water is turning the frogs gay." or "Prince Charles lives in Dracula's Castle."  The lack of finesse in their presentations doesn't mean that the fundamental truth is any less true. 

The media has been going after politicians that were unapproved of by the deep state, institutions, DNC/RNC for a long time.  RFK Jr., Bernie, etc.  Trump was the first one to punch back and punch harder.  That's what's making you so deranged.  You fail to see that there's a coordinated effort behind the scenes to take out Trump.  If you fundamentally trust the bloated government and the choices that they are making (especially geopolitically), yeah. Keep hating on Trump. He's definitely disrupting the "harmony" within DC.  But please understand there are a lot of us who do not trust DC.  Too many unanswered questions and we are pretty sick and tired of the trajectory that the country is going. 

I'm convinced whoever's controlling the media and the real bullies are the ones that are trying to assassinate Trump. It's a statement without proof and I know y'all will call me stupid and crazy. Don't give a shit. 

Something's definitely afoot and y'all too blind to sense it. 

[Titandan]

16 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

I doubt he’s being paid, just some idiot defending his cult leader with whatever talking points they get from Fox News or wherever.

Yup I'm a special kind of cultist who believes in transparency, protecting free speech, 2nd Amendment, downsizing the government, and accountability within our institutions.  

I must be an especially stupid self-defeating cultist. 

[Starkiller]

5 minutes ago, Titandan said:

Yup I'm a special kind of cultist who believes in transparency, protecting free speech, 2nd Amendment, downsizing the government, and accountability within our institutions.  

I must be an especially stupid self-defeating cultist. 

Just a sucker who always defends Republicans. You were just fine with Bush’s war and his “free speech zones” and all the other shit, then turn around and support Trump for being against wars and (supposedly) defending free speech. 
 

Basically you come off as just another sheep bleating out the party line as Fox News feeds it to you…

[Titandan]

2 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

No. It isn't. Things change over time and there is a first for everything. If Trump is the first to be held to account and then subsequent presidents don't you'll have a point but that's yet to be seen. Your side had no problem launching unending investigations into Hillary (remember Benghazi?) but you cry like little bitches when Trump, who is probably the most corrupt president in history, gets rightfully investigated for like a quarter of the terrible shit he's done. That's selective outrage. I say investigate them all and let God sort'em out, you claim to want every president to get the benefit of the doubt but will undoubtedly only be that charitable to republicans. 

There was Democrat push back on Bush's delayed response to Hurricane Katrina. I think there was an investigation on that as well. 

Investigation of Hillary's handling of Benghazi was warranted but they wasted a lot of time and money on it.  At the end of the day, the Obama Admin should take responsibility for their handling of it just like Biden's Admin should take responsibility of their Afghanistan withdrawal.  Push back from the opposing party has always been normal political posturing.  And although it's ugly, I think that's part of the checks and balances system that we have, and ultimately it's healthy.  

But what they are doing to Trump is different and you know it's true.  Both the RNC and the DNC completely hate Trump because he has the backing of every day Americans and that's a fundamental threat to the deep state's existence. Even if Trump wins the election, I don't think he will be able to do away with these career politicians and get rid of the deep state. But I'd like to see him try at least. 

Anyway, we don't have to agree.  Gotta get back to work. 

Even though we disagree, I respect you @Mythos27 for engaging in honest discourse and not resorting to personal attacks.  I have nothing against any of you personally.  Don't know anything about you guys.  We can agree to disagree and move on with out lives.  In about a month may the best man or woman win. 

[Titandan]

6 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

Just a sucker who always defends Republicans. You were just fine with Bush’s war and his “free speech zones” and all the other shit, then turn around and support Trump for being against wars and (supposedly) defending free speech. 
 

Basically you come off as just another sheep bleating out the party line as Fox News feeds it to you…

How many times do I need to repent of Bush's sins?  

Man, that's one of the first things I admitted to Oman when I signed up to this message board. 

I'm so sawwy... 

[nine]

Those of us who frequented this forum 5-6 years ago will clearly remember the numerous discussions and predictions that Donald Trump would face numerous indictments and possibly even prison time once he was out of office and no longer protected by presidential immunity.  
 

None of the numerous indictments and legal proceedings against Trump came as a surprise to anyone who was paying attention.
 

If anything, he’s gotten off incredibly easy:  

 

Zero scrutiny or investigation into the millions upon millions of dollars in foreign emoluments and federal dollars that were funneled info Trump-owned and Trump-managed properties.  
 

No scrutiny or investigation into a possible correlation between Jared Kushner’s close ties with Saudi royalty and diplomats, Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman bragging about having access to US classified documents and info, and the sudden rash of untimely and unexpected of deaths of CIA informants in that region shortly after Kushner’s visit.  
 

Or the $2.5 BILLION the Saudis gave Kushner for a brand new investment startup months after his presidential advisory role ended.  
 

This is all fully documented and the information is readily available.  Strange how conservative media outlets have said absolutely NOTHING about it.    
 

And that’s just off the top of my head.    I’ll go back and dig up a few more of Trump’s shady and reprehensible tactics where he was allowed to skate thanks to the protection of full immunity.  

[Titandan]

2 hours ago, Strunk'sDessert said:

 

Me thinks thou doth protest too much...

 

If you don't care about him, why the bloviated messages and hours spent speaking up for him?

 

Do you have any policy points that you disagree with Trump on? When he was in office, did he ever have a policy gaff?

Trump could get assassinated and I wouldn't blink an eye. 

But I care because the alternative's policies are destroying our country. 

I don't agree with Trump's policy on Abortion. But it's much better than the alternative. 

I don't agree with Trump's policy on stopping outsourcing.  Instead of forcing companies to manufacture in America, just make it attractive to manufacture in the United States. 

I don't agree on rebuilding our cities although I would benefit off of that.  I believe cities should sustain themselves and when stupid policies bring destruction, the people should vote out the evil leadership.

Trump is a bit of a micromanager on certain things. 

I simply don't believe it's the government's job to micromanage.  Just build the platform for businesses, regional leaderships, and constituents to thrive.