Mike Vrabel's Defense

[BudsOilers]

Retard Russ never disappoints.....Maybe he can see if ESPN is hiring.  Radio needs a sidekick.

[titanruss]

46 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

Retard Russ never disappoints.....Maybe he can see if ESPN is hiring.  Radio needs a sidekick.

 

Your name has oilers in it... of course you are incredible insulted.

 

.448 win% vs .528 win%

end of discussion BuffoonBud.

 

 

[rns90]

3 hours ago, IowaOiler said:

 

There is no argument, and the Oilers don't need me to defend them.  The Oilers are far more loved, and actually won something of substance back in the day.  The Titans can't even get people to believe in them after earning the #1 seed.  If the Titans leave and go back to TX, in 20 years, nobody will give two shits about their meaningless existence.  Meanwhile, fans with brains are excited about wearing Oilers throwbacks next year, and some of the all-time greats were drafted and played for the Oilers.  The Titans don't have a single Hall of Fame player that wasn't an Oiler or started with another team.  It's pretty pathetic for as long as the 'Titans' have been around.  

 

But hey man, you do you.  

It's pretty bad even if you go back to 97 when they first moved to TEN.  I think almost every team has produced a HOF level player from 97 onward.  Yeah, there are a few exceptions like CAR I think  but even JAX has produced a HOF player in the last 25 years or so (Boselli).  Oops, botched that as Julius Peppers is HOF bound and played a majority of his career in CAR.

 

And no contest on the jerseys and colors and merchandising.  The Oilers stuff is far superior to the Titans logo/colors etc which look tacky.

3 hours ago, IowaOiler said:

 

And yeah, we beat several good teams last year in the regular season.  Meathead got COY.  But it's funny how everyone on this board was fine railing on the Colts ands how meaningless their Pro Bowl players were, but then want to clamor like a #1 seed and COY is something truly special.  

 

There is one way to prove me wrong, and that's to win when it matters.  You have zero control over that, so good luck trying to 'correct' my thinking.  Just keep going balls deep on meathead and be ready to own it when you're stuck eating crow....again.  

Look I disagree with you on Vrabel and have said so.  But I get why you dislike him/feel apprehensive about him moving forward.  Which is important because I think some here think you trash Vrabel for whatever reasons.  You think he's Fisher v2.0 and he'll always be one those coaches who'll be good enough to stick around for a while but nnot win a Super Bowl.  I get that.  I think he's smart enough to adapt .  But some of the playoff losses and planning have me losing faith at some point as well.

[titanruss]

holy shit the argument is down to pretty clothing... wow what a reach.

 

HOFers? Whats the criteria? If we go by @IowaOiler's method then its only a guy drafted by houston that played the majority of their career there... otherwise they dont count as oilers. Just as he retardedly tried to claim Eddie and Steve as players for Houston and not Tn.

 

[BudsOilers]

2 hours ago, titanruss said:

 

Your name has oilers in it... of course you are incredible insulted.

 

.448 win% vs .528 win%

end of discussion BuffoonBud.

 

Wrong.  The Oilers are the Titans.  The only changes were in the cities they played in and the name change.  Ownership was the same.  Same GM.  Same coach.  The most successful era of Titans football was with the core group that started in Houston - the decision makers, the majority of star players like McNair, George, Matthews, Wycheck, Bishop, etc.  Even guys like Mason and Rolle were drafted as Oilers.

 

Only retarded TN fans want to segregate the Titans as some new team, which is laughably dumb.  They weren't an expansion team.  You're also completely wrong about Houston's support of the Oilers and how the team ended up moving.  It was a Bud/Mayor of Houston battle where Bud was right but had cried chicken little about moving way too much and then topped it off by blowing up the Moon era team.

 

And if you really dig into it, the franchise has had about 6 windows with good to great teams:  The original AFL teams that were in 3 straight championships, the Bum/Earl teams that made 2 AFCC's, the Moon era teams in the late 80's/early 90's, the Fisher/McNair teams in the late 90's/early 2000's that made a SB and another AFCC, that blip in 07/08 with Haynesworth/CJ, and then the current era teams.   

 

Now name/uniform wise, the Oilers stuff blows away the Titans stuff.  Every poll on this shows this.  The biggest mistake Bud ever made was the name and uniform change.

[StephenIsLegend]

4 hours ago, IowaOiler said:

 

There is no argument, and the Oilers don't need me to defend them.  The Oilers are far more loved, and actually won something of substance back in the day.  The Titans can't even get people to believe in them after earning the #1 seed.  If the Titans leave and go back to TX, in 20 years, nobody will give two shits about their meaningless existence.  Meanwhile, fans with brains are excited about wearing Oilers throwbacks next year, and some of the all-time greats were drafted and played for the Oilers.  The Titans don't have a single Hall of Fame player that wasn't an Oiler or started with another team.  It's pretty pathetic for as long as the 'Titans' have been around.  

 

But hey man, you do you.  

 

 

Lol...my line of thinking is fine.  You may disagree with my opinion, but it's not like I'm a flat-earther, or a religious nut-job, or some 'football fan' who thinks the Titans didn't benefit from being in the worst division in the league the past two years.  

 

I'm not trying to say exactly what would have happened if we hadn't gotten 4 games each of the past two years against the worst teams in the entire league.  I'm just saying that even though we lost one of those (lol), it would be pretty naive to think having those games against better teams, wouldn't have potentially jeopardized our regular season success.  

 

And yeah, we beat several good teams last year in the regular season.  Meathead got COY.  But it's funny how everyone on this board was fine railing on the Colts ands how meaningless their Pro Bowl players were, but then want to clamor like a #1 seed and COY is something truly special.  

 

There is one way to prove me wrong, and that's to win when it matters.  You have zero control over that, so good luck trying to 'correct' my thinking.  Just keep going balls deep on meathead and be ready to own it when you're stuck eating crow....again.  

Again, don’t misrepresent my position. I’m not balls deep in loving Vrabel. Quite the opposite. But you continuing your little crusade when he is a much better coach than you give him credit for just makes you look like a dumb ass. 
 

Oh well. Let’s hope he ends up changing his ways. 
 

Edit - LOL at thinking you’re a fan with a brain. Comical. 

[No1TitansFan]

7 hours ago, BudsOilers said:

 

Wrong.  The Oilers are the Titans.  The only changes were in the cities they played in and the name change.  Ownership was the same.  Same GM.  Same coach.  The most successful era of Titans football was with the core group that started in Houston - the decision makers, the majority of star players like McNair, George, Matthews, Wycheck, Bishop, etc.  Even guys like Mason and Rolle were drafted as Oilers.

 

Only retarded TN fans want to segregate the Titans as some new team, which is laughably dumb.  They weren't an expansion team.  You're also completely wrong about Houston's support of the Oilers and how the team ended up moving.  It was a Bud/Mayor of Houston battle where Bud was right but had cried chicken little about moving way too much and then topped it off by blowing up the Moon era team.

 

And if you really dig into it, the franchise has had about 6 windows with good to great teams:  The original AFL teams that were in 3 straight championships, the Bum/Earl teams that made 2 AFCC's, the Moon era teams in the late 80's/early 90's, the Fisher/McNair teams in the late 90's/early 2000's that made a SB and another AFCC, that blip in 07/08 with Haynesworth/CJ, and then the current era teams.   

 

Now name/uniform wise, the Oilers stuff blows away the Titans stuff.  Every poll on this shows this.  The biggest mistake Bud ever made was the name and uniform change.

Apparently someone wasn't at the games in Memphis where you could literally sit wherever you wanted, where the Steeler Fans outnumbered the TN Oilers fans by 6 to 1; or the games at Vanderbilt where they couldn't sell out a 35, 000 seat college stadium. Then after the name and uniform change it turned overnight into one of the loudest places to play and set a record for consecutive home victories to open a stadium. I bought and wore my share of Oilers gear, and was chased halfway around Tampa's stadium by a drunk asshole when I was like one of three people there wearing it, so I've got nothing against the name; but it was night and day in Nashville, the Oilers just didn't sell here and they tried their best. 

[OzTitan]

2 hours ago, No1TitansFan said:

Apparently someone wasn't at the games in Memphis where you could literally sit wherever you wanted, where the Steeler Fans outnumbered the TN Oilers fans by 6 to 1; or the games at Vanderbilt where they couldn't sell out a 35, 000 seat college stadium. Then after the name and uniform change it turned overnight into one of the loudest places to play and set a record for consecutive home victories to open a stadium. I bought and wore my share of Oilers gear, and was chased halfway around Tampa's stadium by a drunk asshole when I was like one of three people there wearing it, so I've got nothing against the name; but it was night and day in Nashville, the Oilers just didn't sell here and they tried their best. 

 

The fact they got a new stadium was probably the driving factor there, not new uniforms and a name change. A new name and look undoubtedly created more of a buzz, but it's only a temporary thing - it's not like the franchise is necessarily forever benefiting from changing the name and uniform in 1999.

 

I think there would have been plenty of buzz for the team in Nashville in 1999, Titans or Oilers.

[titanruss]

10 hours ago, BudsOilers said:

 

Wrong.  The Oilers are the Titans.  The only changes were in the cities they played in and the name change.  Ownership was the same.  Same GM.  Same coach.  The most successful era of Titans football was with the core group that started in Houston - the decision makers, the majority of star players like McNair, George, Matthews, Wycheck, Bishop, etc.  Even guys like Mason and Rolle were drafted as Oilers.

 

Only retarded TN fans want to segregate the Titans as some new team, which is laughably dumb.  They weren't an expansion team.  You're also completely wrong about Houston's support of the Oilers and how the team ended up moving.  It was a Bud/Mayor of Houston battle where Bud was right but had cried chicken little about moving way too much and then topped it off by blowing up the Moon era team.

 

And if you really dig into it, the franchise has had about 6 windows with good to great teams:  The original AFL teams that were in 3 straight championships, the Bum/Earl teams that made 2 AFCC's, the Moon era teams in the late 80's/early 90's, the Fisher/McNair teams in the late 90's/early 2000's that made a SB and another AFCC, that blip in 07/08 with Haynesworth/CJ, and then the current era teams.   

 

Now name/uniform wise, the Oilers stuff blows away the Titans stuff.  Every poll on this shows this.  The biggest mistake Bud ever made was the name and uniform change.

It was actually retarded ass oilers fans that started talking shit about the titans. I'm just defending from the bullshit. 
 

I like the history as do most modern fans but you old fucks keep acting like the heyday before to was amazing (it wasn't) and all oilers when they made the run and came here but in reality it was a big mix and most of the team through the early years had much longer careers as titans than oilers. 
 

so... fuck off with your bs 

[BudsOilers]

7 hours ago, No1TitansFan said:

Apparently someone wasn't at the games in Memphis where you could literally sit wherever you wanted, where the Steeler Fans outnumbered the TN Oilers fans by 6 to 1; or the games at Vanderbilt where they couldn't sell out a 35, 000 seat college stadium. Then after the name and uniform change it turned overnight into one of the loudest places to play and set a record for consecutive home victories to open a stadium. I bought and wore my share of Oilers gear, and was chased halfway around Tampa's stadium by a drunk asshole when I was like one of three people there wearing it, so I've got nothing against the name; but it was night and day in Nashville, the Oilers just didn't sell here and they tried their best. 

 

There's zero question the organization botched the initial move.  It was pure incompetence between McClure and Pepper Rodgers. They decided Memphis was a good place holder until the new stadium was ready even though it's not close to Nashville logistically and ignoring the rivalry between the cities (Memphis had the historical tie to pro football).  They only went to Vanderbilt because the Memphis experience was so bad.

 

The new, permanent home stadium was the key element more so than the name change/uniform change as OzTitan pointed out.

[ctm]

The key element was winning.

[BudsOilers]

Yeah the first 5 years in Nashville at the new stadium coincided with them being one of the best teams in the NFL and a legit SB contender.  

 

Also noted that last year may have been the first in a long while where opposing fans didn't pack the stadium.  

[IowaOiler]

22 hours ago, StephenIsLegend said:

Again, don’t misrepresent my position. I’m not balls deep in loving Vrabel. Quite the opposite. But you continuing your little crusade when he is a much better coach than you give him credit for just makes you look like a dumb ass. 
 

Oh well. Let’s hope he ends up changing his ways. 
 

Edit - LOL at thinking you’re a fan with a brain. Comical. 

 

You keep acting as though my dislike of Vrabel is some crusade...it's not.  It's my opinion, supported by facts.  You have your opinion, also supported by facts.  You somehow think that by stalking my on this board, I'm going to suddenly think Vrabel is a less shitty coach than I do?  There is one way to prove that, and it's to win when it matters.  

 

As far as me having a brain, I'm not the one that thought our defense was 'money' two years ago...that was you.  An historically awful defense, that you thought was great because of one good game halfway through the year....lol.  You've owned up to the stupidity, so I've let it be...but be careful throwing stones, when you're made of glass.

[IowaOiler]

23 hours ago, rns90 said:

It's pretty bad even if you go back to 97 when they first moved to TEN.  I think almost every team has produced a HOF level player from 97 onward.  Yeah, there are a few exceptions like CAR I think  but even JAX has produced a HOF player in the last 25 years or so (Boselli).  Oops, botched that as Julius Peppers is HOF bound and played a majority of his career in CAR.

 

And no contest on the jerseys and colors and merchandising.  The Oilers stuff is far superior to the Titans logo/colors etc which look tacky.

Look I disagree with you on Vrabel and have said so.  But I get why you dislike him/feel apprehensive about him moving forward.  Which is important because I think some here think you trash Vrabel for whatever reasons.  You think he's Fisher v2.0 and he'll always be one those coaches who'll be good enough to stick around for a while but nnot win a Super Bowl.  I get that.  I think he's smart enough to adapt .  But some of the playoff losses and planning have me losing faith at some point as well.

 

I totally understand being optimistic on Vrabel...I was optimistic on Fisher until 2008, so I can't throw stones at people for thinking that way.  All I can and will do is bring up the points I ignored prior to 2008, and those that most (not you) are ignoring now.  

 

As far as the Oilers, I think the worry that the Titans could leave, even as unlikely as it is, might be causing some issues for 100% Tennessee people.  The fact that the Titans don't have a single pure-Titans player in the Hall is probably mostly the fault of Jeff Fisher.  If we had gotten to another SB, or god forbid won one, with the stacked rosters we had over that 5 year span, Eddie and Steve would have been first-ballot inductees.  Instead, we have to sit here and get excited because Kevin Mawae played his last few years for us, or hold onto the one year we had an over-the-hill Hutch.  Obviously the best player to ever put on a Titans jersey was Bruce Matthews, and it's not really close...but he was an Oiler, and I don't think many would argue that.  

 

I do feel we have a similar situation happening now.  We have a couple players that could be future Hall of Famers...Henry, Simmons, Byard top that list.  But if we continue failing when it matters, they will only be in the Hall of Very Good, with Steve and Eddie.  And you know whose fault it will be if that happens....again.

[Somedude]

Fuck the Oilers. They sucked. Only dying Boomers miss their mediocrity and their pussy ass uniforms.