chef Posted May 6, 2023 Report Share Posted May 6, 2023 10 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: The backlash would be massive and swift. China for better or worse is still very conscientious of their image on the global stage as a counter to American imperialism and individualism. I wouldn't call it morality necessarily, but they do not want to be viewed in that manner. I think global retribution would be very swift if Russia was to go that route. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. China doesn't need Russia to take over the Pacific. They're an ideological ally and a good trade partner for raw materials and food, which I don't think would stop if Russia set off a tactical nuke, but they would be in uncharted water if they did not publicly condemn them and move forward with the global community in making them the world's pariah. It's definitely an interesting situation. China can't feed its people or keep its economy running without a massive amount of imports. Though what you're saying is fundamentally correct, I think the real issue is that Russia does what Russia does and comes up with some BS excuse blaming someone else (Ukranian dissidents who support Russia/oppose Zelensky; CIA/US attempt to blame it on Putin). Allowing China and any other would be allies to maintain plausible deniability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 6, 2023 Report Share Posted May 6, 2023 18 minutes ago, chef said: Though what you're saying is fundamentally correct, I think the real issue is that Russia does what Russia does and comes up with some BS excuse blaming someone else (Ukranian dissidents who support Russia/oppose Zelensky; CIA/US attempt to blame it on Putin). Allowing China and any other would be allies to maintain plausible deniability. That would be the playbook. Hopefully we never have to find out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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reo Posted May 6, 2023 Report Share Posted May 6, 2023 I 100% think Russia will eventually try to use nukes. It's just about whether or not his military will follow through w/ it when he orders it or if they'll over throw him. Putin has been leading towards something like this for decades. He's not stopping now. Incidentally the leader of the Wagner group has said he plans on withdrawing from Bakhmut on the 10th. He's put out his bullshit reasons but in the end, I thin he's going to do it b/c he knows Ukraine is about to start a counter offensive and he knows if he pulls back he can say "See? This is what happens when Wagner pulls back". He's even put out propaganda in Russia saying Wagner will always be there when the "motherland" is attacked. This could mean a couple different things but I think he's expecting Ukraine to win back territory and then there will be a coup in Russia and civil war so he's setting it up to be looked at as a hero to Russians. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IrishTitansFan Posted May 8, 2023 Report Share Posted May 8, 2023 https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0507/1381249-russian-warships-ireland/ The Russians keep doing this. Going back to the very start of the war I see it as an intimidation tactic to Europe, Ireland of course as a neutral country is a weak point reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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