luvyablue256 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, oldschool said: @Titans279 you asked last week, here is the clip. Its obviously light on actual policy but the point is solid. I mean, he's right. Academy jargon seeping into the party ether is a huge liability for a party that already thinks elections are won off policy powerpoint bullets... tgo, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, tgo said: Exactly - it’s shitty politics to not do it. Esp for Congress ahead of the midterms. If this doesn't move Democrats (along with some Dem governors pushing for this), Democrats deserve to lose both houses of Congress for the next few cycles. I don't give a shit about the fine print of the policy. Suspend the tax then point the finger at the gas companies. IsntLifeFunny, tgo, and Jerry Blair 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Titans279 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: If this doesn't move Democrats (along with some Dem governors pushing for this), Democrats deserve to lose both houses of Congress for the next few cycles. I don't give a shit about the fine print of the policy. Suspend the tax then point the finger at the gas companies. I think the argument that the federal gas tax is almost nothing and the real problem is lack of domestic supply is going to beat out your argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Titans279 said: I think the argument that the federal gas tax is almost nothing and the real problem is lack of domestic supply is going to beat out your argument. Thats simply not true. The domestic supply is not why gas prices are high. luvyablue256, and Jerry Blair 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Titans279 said: I think the argument that the federal gas tax is almost nothing and the real problem is lack of domestic supply is going to beat out your argument. The domestic supply has little if anything to do with this. Who cares about losing some revenue in the short term if Congressional party leadership looks like they don't care about throwing the farm at this? We're basically handing the GOP the working class for the next 8 to 12 years for fucks sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, oldschool said: Thats simply not true. The domestic supply is not why gas prices are high. I don't think it matter what's true. You (and everyone else here) already said that you realize that it doesn't matter what is true when you said repealing the gas tax was just for good optics. I think that this argument will beat the other one because it will feel more true to people. Democrats are seen as hostile to fossil fuel extraction. It's pretty easy to just say that prices would be lower if we produced more stuff here locally and feels true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 I mean, Democrats themselves are even saying it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Titans279 said: I mean, Democrats themselves are even saying it. You don’t use the defense production act to cut the price of gas by a few cents… Edited June 22, 2022 by Starkiller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Just now, Starkiller said: You don’t use the defense production act to cut the price of gas by a few cents… I don’t understand your point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, Titans279 said: I don't think it matter what's true. You (and everyone else here) already said that you realize that it doesn't matter what is true when you said repealing the gas tax was just for good optics. I think that this argument will beat the other one because it will feel more true to people. Democrats are seen as hostile to fossil fuel extraction. It's pretty easy to just say that prices would be lower if we produced more stuff here locally and feels true. Ahh okay. you are saying thats the argument (lie) that will be used counter it, not that its true. Titans279 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 And clearly Biden agrees, since he's going to try to counter it. Moving away from the political merits of this decision, I wonder if this will nullify the climate benefits of the infrastructure bill in the long term. Increasing domestic production is going to have effects for decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 Now he wants more production? Fuck him and his progressives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Now he wants more production? Fuck him and his progressives. “Fuck him for agreeing with me!” Jerry Blair 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 Biden made the mistake of declaring war on the fossil fuel industry. El Guapo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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