Biden White House: Year 4

[Rogue]

1 hour ago, WG53 said:

I vote. I've voted for Dems in every race. Almost never does the democrat win in said races.

 

These douches don't listen to anything you say if it isn't rah rah go democrats! They'll just blame you for their multitude of shortcomings and never learn their lessons 

 

1 hour ago, WG53 said:

Saying I don't get it is flat out wrong and a perfect example of what I've been saying.

 

I do vote and have voted for the Dems. Dems have done nothing to earn my vote ever. Simply being the alternative isn't good enough.

 

You've yet to explain how you think a 50/50 Senate is supposed to make big changes.  Last filibuster proof Senate I see is 1977-1979.  Manchin isn't voting to end the filibuster, and there's likely a handful of other dems that won't either.    

You've got all this anger, but you won't say how you think this big change is supposed to happen.  Do you care to elaborate?  

[Rogue]

1 hour ago, Titans279 said:

Yeah, it’s been known for a long time. My post just pointed out “yep, still happening”.
 

Weird how Democrats have done nothing to address it either by trying to win younger generations’ votes or by winning more of older generations to offset it. 
 

Why don’t you and @oldschool get to work on getting more of your generation to vote Democratic?

 

oldschool’s actual friends, coworkers, and neighbors are the ones who voted in Youngkin in VA. I don’t see you blasting him. 

I don't know the details of OS's circle of people voted or didn't vote in VA to give it to Youngkin, but I don't think the reasoning was "democrats hasn't done enough" and it's not an entire voting block threatening to throw their hands up.  

WS says he's held nose to vote for the dem candidates.  That's all that's asked, but he's stuck on this "entitlement" thing like we have a super majority that can change laws without unicorn farts. 

Progressives complain about lack of progress, but so far none has said how change is supposed to happen with the slim majorities in the Senate that we occasionally have.  Can you?   

[OILERMAN]

Biden should have done debt forgiveness for student loan debt to the full extent of what he was capable 

[oldschool]

5 hours ago, Titans279 said:

Yeah, it’s been known for a long time. My post just pointed out “yep, still happening”.
 

Weird how Democrats have done nothing to address it either by trying to win younger generations’ votes or by winning more of older generations to offset it. 
 

Why don’t you and @oldschool get to work on getting more of your generation to vote Democratic?

 

oldschool’s actual friends, coworkers, and neighbors are the ones who voted in Youngkin in VA. I don’t see you blasting him. 

 

Preaching to choir dude. I call out those who flip back to the GOP all the time. In fact did you not see my post after Youngkin won? They get what they deserve.

[oldschool]

4 hours ago, WG53 said:

Saying I don't get it is flat out wrong and a perfect example of what I've been saying.

 

I do vote and have voted for the Dems. Dems have done nothing to earn my vote ever. Simply being the alternative isn't good enough.

 

 

Good, you finally admitted you turn your nose and vote Dem; Welcome to the club.  Now take the next step and realize they don't need to earn your vote, the alternative is simply far worse.

Edited April 2, 2022 by oldschool

[WG53]

1 hour ago, oldschool said:

 

Good, you finally admitted you turn your nose and vote Dem; Welcome to the club.  Now take the next step and realize they don't need to earn your vote, the alternative is simply far worse.

Finally admitted? Oh stfu with this pretentious nonsense. You guys make stupid assumptions every time. And yes, they absolutely have to earn people's votes. They are not entitled to mine or anyone else's vote. 

 

 

 

[WG53]

4 hours ago, Rogue said:

I don't know the details of OS's circle of people voted or didn't vote in VA to give it to Youngkin, but I don't think the reasoning was "democrats hasn't done enough" and it's not an entire voting block threatening to throw their hands up.  

WS says he's held nose to vote for the dem candidates.  That's all that's asked, but he's stuck on this "entitlement" thing like we have a super majority that can change laws without unicorn farts. 

Progressives complain about lack of progress, but so far none has said how change is supposed to happen with the slim majorities in the Senate that we occasionally have.  Can you?   

So I'm supposed to hold the answer for all the Dems problems because I point out their flaws? LOL Maybe if Dems focused on better messaging and  realize the culture war nonsense is why they lose most of the time they would gain more in Congress 

 

I live in TN. If I vote or not the result is the same, Republicans win. Simply because too many brain dead hicks here get fooled into voting conservative because of single issues that are irrelevant. They lap up this culture war bullshit and honestly, democrats make it too easy for it to work with all the identity politics that the average American doesn't give a shit about.

 

We need a new party that can actually affect positive change in this country instead of being forced to choose between two shit sandwiches.

[Starkiller]

3 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Biden should have done debt forgiveness for student loan debt to the full extent of what he was capable 

He still can. Hopefully they will. They have pushed back the restart date for student loan payments.

 

There is a school of thought that he will still do some level of student loan forgiveness but hasn’t done it because he is trying to get Manchin to sign onto some version of Biden's agenda first. They think he is less likely to pass a bill if Biden has already forgiven student loan debt.

 

But it remains to be seen…

[Titans279]

Most Gen M and Z don’t even have student debt so I’m doubtful that would make a large impact 

[Rogue]

4 hours ago, WG53 said:

So I'm supposed to hold the answer for all the Dems problems because I point out their flaws? LOL Maybe if Dems focused on better messaging and  realize the culture war nonsense is why they lose most of the time they would gain more in Congress 

 

I live in TN. If I vote or not the result is the same, Republicans win. Simply because too many brain dead hicks here get fooled into voting conservative because of single issues that are irrelevant. They lap up this culture war bullshit and honestly, democrats make it too easy for it to work with all the identity politics that the average American doesn't give a shit about.

 

We need a new party that can actually affect positive change in this country instead of being forced to choose between two shit sandwiches.

I didn’t expect you to have an answer for dem’s problems….that’s the point.  
 

I think we both agree dems should message better and focus on the people.  I don’t feel punishing them for poor messaging or a less than perfect record on the people is the wise path.  And we shouldn’t completely ignore what they have done for the people.  
 

I respect the position that being in TN basically nullifies your vote and you can throw a protest vote without ramifications.  I have done that too. 
 

I’m all in favor of different parties, just not at the expense of throwing progress out the window.  
 

 

[Rogue]

8 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Biden should have done debt forgiveness for student loan debt to the full extent of what he was capable 

I’ve never been a fan of the student debt forgiveness and am okay with the outcome, but this is an issue Biden fucked up.  He made big promises there and decided to do nothing about.  
 

I think that’s fair criticism.  I don’t think it’s worth handing the keys to the GOP, but it’s unclear how some feel about that.  

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 hour ago, Rogue said:

I didn’t expect you to have an answer for dem’s problems….that’s the point.  
 

I think we both agree dems should message better and focus on the people.  I don’t feel punishing them for poor messaging or a less than perfect record on the people is the wise path.  And we shouldn’t completely ignore what they have done for the people.  
 

I respect the position that being in TN basically nullifies your vote and you can throw a protest vote without ramifications.  I have done that too. 
 

I’m all in favor of different parties, just not at the expense of throwing progress out the window.  
 

 

Your line of questioning has been pretty much shit when it comes to WG. He’s said for years he votes for Dems, but that his vote means nothing in his district and state. He’s also continued to say Dems using Republicans as the reason to vote for them when they don’t follow through with anything is one of the reasons we are here in the first place. He’s absolutely correct. 

[OILERMAN]

5 hours ago, Rogue said:

I’ve never been a fan of the student debt forgiveness and am okay with the outcome, but this is an issue Biden fucked up.  He made big promises there and decided to do nothing about.  
 

I think that’s fair criticism.  I don’t think it’s worth handing the keys to the GOP, but it’s unclear how some feel about that.  

 

Forgiving student debt wouldn't turn the keys over to the GOP and it would get a lot of young support to vote

 

All he'd have to do is point to the covid relief for big business and the bank/auto bailouts as a comparison

[Rogue]

4 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Forgiving student debt wouldn't turn the keys over to the GOP and it would get a lot of young support to vote

 

All he'd have to do is point to the covid relief for big business and the bank/auto bailouts as a comparison

 

I'm not saying student debt forgiveness would turn the keys over, I'm saying the loss of support for lack of student debt forgiveness could turn the keys over.  The loss of support is what started this whole thing.  
 

[Rogue]

8 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Your line of questioning has been pretty much shit when it comes to WG. He’s said for years he votes for Dems, but that his vote means nothing in his district and state. He’s also continued to say Dems using Republicans as the reason to vote for them when they don’t follow through with anything is one of the reasons we are here in the first place. He’s absolutely correct. 

WG gets the attention because he's the first to defend any notion of failing support.  He's offering himself up as the face of failing support.  I addressed his voting in TN.

Your very first comment to him was to vote Democrat because Republicans. lol 

 

Asking someone just how laws are supposed to get passed in a 50/50 Senate isn't shit questioning, it's wanting to know what they expect to happen?  Here's reality, reality is playing out as to be expected, but people are angry.  What do they expect to happen?   What do you expect to happen?  

 

Sure, in a perfect world, voting out all that doesn't get things done is a great concept.  Republicans voted over and over again, even for Donald Trump.  Now they're passing laws that practically makes abortion illegal, and have thus far succeeded at it.  They were delt a lot of short comings and failings along the way.  For decades.  But here they are.