luvyablue256 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Titans279 said: Come on. I obviously meant that he disagreed with the structure of UI in the bill. Not UI entirely. He caught Biden and Schumer off guard and they negotiated for hours. My guess is eventually he realized he could not get meaningful changes without killing the bill so accepted what he got just to not look completely stupid. You are trying so hard to defend him just because you hate progressives. Progressives have not thrown a wrench into things in the final hour and almost causing the whole thing to fail though. They have their own flaws but have been solid team players for Biden so far. Much more so than Manchin or Sinema. You and @WG53 need to grow up and understand the difference between hating tactics vs. hating outcomes. I want progressive policy but that can't happen when you constantly give leverage to the other side. I live in Mo Brooks' district. Our previous longtime Rep was Bud Cramer, a Blue Dog Democrat that constantly got shitted on by the hardline progressive flank of our district when everyone warned them that the alternative is not a Dem rep that will abandon defense & space spending in favor of social programs. Now look at us. Edited March 8, 2021 by luvyablue256 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: You and @WG53 need to grow up and understand the difference between hating tactics vs. hating outcomes. I want progressive policy but that can't happen when you constantly give leverage to the other side. I live in Mo Brooks' district. Our previous longtime Rep was Bud Cramer, a Blue Dog Democrat that constantly got shitted on by the hardline progressive flank of our district when everyone warned them that the alternative is not a Dem rep that will abandon defense & space spending in favor of social programs. Now look at us. LOL I need to grow up? Oh that's rich coming from people that constantly shit on progressives as if things are their fault when moderates are sabotaging the good of the nation for their own image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 52 minutes ago, WG53 said: LOL I need to grow up? Oh that's rich coming from people that constantly shit on progressives as if things are their fault when moderates are sabotaging the good of the nation for their own image. Point proven. The so called "moderates" just passed a historic 1.9T relief & stimulus package that they'll get NO credit for from the purity hawks. We're on the same goddamned team. GROW THE FUCK UP. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 hours ago, tgo said: "but the corporate moderates don't care about anybody but their donors!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luvyablue256 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) The stimulus vastly increases federal subsidies for individuals and families to purchase health insurance through Obamacare exchanges, and at the same time, it sets up an electoral trap for Republicans just in time for the 2022 midterms. https://www.reclaimthefight.com/2021/03/more-affordable-care-act-biden-stimulus.html?m=1 Edited March 8, 2021 by luvyablue256 oldschool, IsntLifeFunny, and tgo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 8 hours ago, luvyablue256 said: Point proven. The so called "moderates" just passed a historic 1.9T relief & stimulus package that they'll get NO credit for from the purity hawks. We're on the same goddamned team. GROW THE FUCK UP. Then fucking act like it and stop blaming progressives for everything that goes wrong when it is clearly not their fault. And LOL at trying to give moderates credit after the bullshit they just pulled. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, WG53 said: Then fucking act like it and stop blaming progressives for everything that goes wrong when it is clearly not their fault. And LOL at trying to give moderates credit after the bullshit they just pulled. Ive blamed MORE than just progressives when other factions or people screw the pooch. Ive blamed Obama for not helping strengthen the party overall, I've blamed the Clintons and Obama for forcing Hillary into the SoS nomination. I've blamed the DNC for not doing whats necessary to win in the South... so stop the whining. Here's what I'm not going to do... I am NOT letting anyone or any faction off the hook for laying groundwork for hurting Democrats electorally, PERIOD. If people feel the need to help the Jim Crow Party by foot stomping and orchestrating protest no-votes just because their candidate isn't a nominee, I'm going to set them afire at EVERY opportunity. Edited March 8, 2021 by luvyablue256 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luvyablue256 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, WG53 said: They voted against breaking a senate rule to push this through THIS particular bill. They do not oppose raising the damn minimum wage. Stop the madness! This is the political immaturity that poisons the party and stunts progress. The amendment should NOT have been added to this particular bill, and the supporters of adding it should have known better. But Bernie didn't add it to actually pass. He did it being a dickhead to poison the well. https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2021/03/05/why-did-new-hampshires-two-democratic-senators-vote-against-a-15-minimum-wage Edited March 8, 2021 by luvyablue256 oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: They voted against breaking a senate rule to push this through THIS particular bill. They do not oppose raising the damn minimum wage. Stop the madness! This is the political immaturity that poisons the party and stunts progress. The amendment should NOT have been added to this particular bill, and the supporters of adding it should have known better. But Bernie didn't add it to actually pass. He did it being a dickhead to poison the well. https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2021/03/05/why-did-new-hampshires-two-democratic-senators-vote-against-a-15-minimum-wage Always some excuse as to why not to help people and then to talk out of your ass against progressives. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, WG53 said: Always some excuse as to why not to help people and then to talk out of your ass against progressives. Show me procedurally how this was going to get done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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