nine Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, wiscotitansfan said: What are you talking about? Do you not realize that stats are broken up by year? DOH! I looked at the wrong row/column. LOL I stand corrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 minute ago, TitanDuckFan said: Yeah okay shithead. By your stat reference, he dropped 3 balls. By watching tape, we watch him drop more than that. So question your reference instead of your eyes. So how much tape did you watch on the rest of the league to figure out the practice squad drop rate you compared him to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: We know he had more than that. Miami for a TD. Philly deep ball that hit him in the facemask. The Chargers crossing route. The NYG off both of his hands. One against Ramsey and the Jags, again he gets both hands on the ball. I don't care if they're contested or not. He's supposed to be an NFL receiver. When the ball hits you in the hands or the head, you're expected to catch it. When you have it in your hands going to the ground and it ends up incomplete you DROPPED it. You guys snivel and bitch about the throws a QB is supposed to make at this level, and then give his receivers a pass on the catch. If the QB made the throw, then the WR needs to make the catch. Especially when he gets both hands on the ball. Seriously? The Chargers drop was about as brutal a drop as it gets. Saying that.... The Miami throw had him completely extended and the ball popped out when he hit the ground. Could he have caught it? Sure. Could Mariota have thrown it where it didn't require full extension to reach it? The Philly ball - first off the replay shows the CB hitting Taylor's head a second before the ball did. Second, the ball was offline given that pattern - it should have been hitting his hands not his head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecepticonShawn Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 In the miami game he had his right arm grabbed for a second before he dived something else to consider. The philly play was blatantly obvious pi and dont forget the ravens game with the ref getting in his way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 56 minutes ago, DecepticonShawn said: https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/taywan-taylor/ By this metric 45 of the 56 passes thrown to him were catchable. 44% were contested and you believe he runs good routes? If he's as fast as some of you say, and runs as good of routes as some of you claim, why are 44% of his catches contested? 45 catchable passes yet he only caught 37 of them, but only 3 of them were drops? He gets a pass on 9 balls because they were contested. Especially the yards of separation. ABC claims 3+ yards of separation using NFL.com's advanced/nextgen stats. Yeah right. Something isn't adding up here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, BudAdams said: Seriously? The Chargers drop was about as brutal a drop as it gets. Saying that.... The Miami throw had him completely extended and the ball popped out when he hit the ground. Could he have caught it? Sure. Could Mariota have thrown it where it didn't require full extension to reach it? The Philly ball - first off the replay shows the CB hitting Taylor's head a second before the ball did. Second, the ball was offline given that pattern - it should have been hitting his hands not his head. The play at Miami was as perfect a throw as you'll ever see from any QB; the ball placement was absolutely perfect. Taylor had to extend because the DB was wrapped around his legs and taking him to the ground. (This play probably should have been flagged for DPI, as the defender clearly grabbed the receiver with no attempt to play the ball. But it was Jerome Boger's crew.....enough said.) The Philly play was underthrown by about a yard....a good-but-not-great throw. Another play that should have drawn a flag for DPI but didn't. But this gets back to my whole point with Taylor: just as the QB can't expect a perfectly clean pocket every time he drops back, a receiver can't expect every throw to be an easy, routine catch with perfect ball placement. We shouldn't have to split hairs because a throw that travels 40-50 yards in the air lands 2-3 feet away from perfection. A NFL receiver has to be able to make up that difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: Yeah right. Something isn't adding up here. LOL.... I'm sure this is just a league wide conspiracy and they are especially lenient on Taywan Taylor but the rest of the league has been graded with an iron fist Actual written statistics aren't your friend. Just get over it. If you want to do a comparison, get back to us after you watch every player in the league and write down the numbers that you come up with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, BudAdams said: Seriously? The Chargers drop was about as brutal a drop as it gets. Saying that.... The Miami throw had him completely extended and the ball popped out when he hit the ground. Could he have caught it? Sure. Could Mariota have thrown it where it didn't require full extension to reach it? The Philly ball - first off the replay shows the CB hitting Taylor's head a second before the ball did. Second, the ball was offline given that pattern - it should have been hitting his hands not his head. Don't sit there and bitch about a QB not making NFL throws and ignore receivers that can't make NFL catches. It makes you look even dumber than you sound. When a receiver gets both hands on the ball and doesn't come down with it, he dropped it. Yeah, he got mugged on the catch that hit him in the facemask. Did he draw the flag over it? Nope. And he should have. But don't snivel about Mariota missing him when shit like that happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, nine said: The play at Miami was as perfect a throw as you'll ever see from any QB; the ball placement was absolutely perfect. Taylor had to extend because the DB was wrapped around his legs and taking him to the ground. (This play probably should have been flagged for DPI, as the defender clearly grabbed the receiver with no attempt to play the ball.) The Philly play was underthrown by about a yard....a good-but-not-great throw. Another play that should have drawn a flag for DPI but didn't. But this gets back to my whole point with Taylor: just as the QB can't expect a perfectly clean pocket every time he drops back, a receiver can't expect every throw to be an easy, routine catch with perfect ball placement. We shouldn't have to split hairs because a throw that travels 40-50 yards in the air lands 2-3 feet away from perfection. A NFL receiver has to be able to make up that difference. No but at the same time 50/50 balls are just that - the impact of the ground caused the ball to come loose in the Miami play. To me, that's entirely different than a drop like the Charger game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, wiscotitansfan said: LOL.... I'm sure this is just a league wide conspiracy and they are especially lenient on Taywan Taylor but the rest of the league has been graded with an iron fist Actual written statistics aren't your friend. Just get over it. If you want to do a comparison, get back to us after you watch every player in the league and write down the numbers that you come up with No, actual written stats aren't YOUR friend. They say the QB is accurate to his deep threat over 80% of the time. Yet your primary focus is bitching and sniveling about the QB's play. Proving once more that you have absolutely zero fucking clue what you're talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: Don't sit there and bitch about a QB not making NFL throws and ignore receivers that can't make NFL catches. It makes you look even dumber than you sound. When a receiver gets both hands on the ball and doesn't come down with it, he dropped it. Yeah, he got mugged on the catch that hit him in the facemask. Did he draw the flag over it? Nope. And he should have. But don't snivel about Mariota missing him when shit like that happens. We can debate the Miami play as I already said he could have caught the ball. The reason he didn't was valid and happens all of the time in the NFL. On the Philly play, the throw was late and slightly off target. And he was interfered with. How was it HIS fault that the referee didn't throw the flag and that the throw was not accurate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, BudAdams said: No but at the same time 50/50 balls are just that - the impact of the ground caused the ball to come loose in the Miami play. To me, that's entirely different than a drop like the Charger game. That just means you you're a poor judge of football plays and players. The other big bitch from you guys is that Marcus doesn't throw the 50/50 ball. "He doesn't give his receivers a chance to go get it." He does, the receivers just don't win very often. Another one of your complaints shot down in flames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 I mentioned this in another thread....but we can probably dispense with the whole "separation" argument. If you sort the list of of players who got the highest separation...not only are the the players at the top of the list non-elite players, they aren't even starters. They're mostly #3-#4 WRs who get open because defenses are focused on the team's #1-#2 WRs. "Separation" sounds like it should be an impressive stat.....but when you put everything in context, it's pretty meaningless. It's also worthing noting that Taylor, Davis, and Sharpe were all within .1 yard of each other. Are we to assume they all have elite separation skills? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: No, actual written stats aren't YOUR friend. They say the QB is accurate to his deep threat over 80% of the time. Yet your primary focus is bitching and sniveling about the QB's play. Proving once more that you have absolutely zero fucking clue what you're talking about. I never said that Mariota wasn't a good deep ball thrower, tell me where I am blaming any of this on Mariota? I'm just saying we have no need to upgrade our WR3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted April 9, 2019 Report Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: No, actual written stats aren't YOUR friend. They say the QB is accurate to his deep threat over 80% of the time. Yet your primary focus is bitching and sniveling about the QB's play. Proving once more that you have absolutely zero fucking clue what you're talking about. Here are some very relevant stats Red Zone Passer Stats Inside the 20 - 27th Inside the 10 - 29th TD % of throws - 27th Fewest hits on a QB (4th) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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