Legaltitan Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Since no one else wants to get this party started, here we go. I was initially fairly impressed with Harris. I thought she had a bit of an it factor - a little star power. And I thought with her being a member of a black sorority that is big in the South, that would give her a huge advantage when the primary heads to the South, as black women make up a large percentage of democratic primary voters in Southern states. But you talk to black folks and there is plenty of them giving her a little side eye. A little bit is due to the relationship with the politician out in California, and then plenty of it is due to her work and time as a prosecutor. If Harris can't catch fire among the black community in the South (and she has not - yet), then I don't see a path to victory for her. She appeals to a lot more than that, but she has to excite black democratic primary voters to win the nomination, and I am not seeing it on the ground. I know I'm a white dude in little ol' Macon Georgia but I am fairly plugged in to the urban ground game/organizer community here. Attitude about Harris seems to be fairly meh. That's trouble, potentially. But the other side of that is black democrats didn't jump in Obama's lap either. Lots of folks like to claim identity politics and everythying among Democrats, but Hillary had all of the support in the black community initially, including from party leaders like Lewis, and the local community organizers, at least here in Macon. It wasn't really until after Obama won Iowa and started to pick up steam that he started gaining the support from the black leadership. Anyway, thoughts on Harris? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 41 minutes ago, Legaltitan said: Since no one else wants to get this party started, here we go. I was initially fairly impressed with Harris. I thought she had a bit of an it factor - a little star power. And I thought with her being a member of a black sorority that is big in the South, that would give her a huge advantage when the primary heads to the South, as black women make up a large percentage of democratic primary voters in Southern states. But you talk to black folks and there is plenty of them giving her a little side eye. A little bit is due to the relationship with the politician out in California, and then plenty of it is due to her work and time as a prosecutor. If Harris can't catch fire among the black community in the South (and she has not - yet), then I don't see a path to victory for her. She appeals to a lot more than that, but she has to excite black democratic primary voters to win the nomination, and I am not seeing it on the ground. I know I'm a white dude in little ol' Macon Georgia but I am fairly plugged in to the urban ground game/organizer community here. Attitude about Harris seems to be fairly meh. That's trouble, potentially. But the other side of that is black democrats didn't jump in Obama's lap either. Lots of folks like to claim identity politics and everythying among Democrats, but Hillary had all of the support in the black community initially, including from party leaders like Lewis, and the local community organizers, at least here in Macon. It wasn't really until after Obama won Iowa and started to pick up steam that he started gaining the support from the black leadership. Anyway, thoughts on Harris? Many in the black community see her as "top cop" and that's certainly not what you want voters of color to think of you given the current anti-police brutality climate.Then again, maybe she just needs some name recognition and her numbers will improve over time. Really too early to tell imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 I’m not a big fan thus far, at least not as a presidential candidate. Her experience is as a lawyer, not as either a legislator or executive. She will have some supporters and will probably win CA but I haven’t really seen much from her that makes me want to jump on board. Also so I thought she had a public moment questing Kavanaugh that some people liked but I thought was foolish and pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 At this point, she's at the top for me as a potential. I need to do some deeper research on their differences. She has charisma and strength that I like. I like the idea of a woman candidate and she's the only one that I really think is viable. I am waiting to see how they do and how they differentiate themselves. I am interested in what comes out about them and how they handle it. I am interested to knowing more about how they make decisions and what ideas they bring out. Right now they way I have them grouped is: (No particular order) Interested Biden Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke, Gov. John Hickenlooper Sen. Kamala Harris Pete Buttigieg Trending Down Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, Sen. Cory Booker Sen. Elizabeth Warren Not interested Sen. Amy Klobuchar Sen. Bernie Sanders Julian Castro Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Who? Gov. Jay Inslee Marianne Williamson Andrew Yang John Kevin Delaney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted March 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 54 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Also so I thought she had a public moment questing Kavanaugh that some people liked but I thought was foolish and pointless. I wouldn't necessarily say foolish (I think Booker captured the foolish award) but it definitely fell flat for me. I didn't get the appeal. Then she announced and I thought "ok, I get it, this chick is pretty exciting." But since then - nothing. She seems to be floundering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted March 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 55 minutes ago, Pragidealist said: At this point, she's at the top for me as a potential. I need to do some deeper research on their differences. She has charisma and strength that I like. I like the idea of a woman candidate and she's the only one that I really think is viable. I am waiting to see how they do and how they differentiate themselves. I am interested in what comes out about them and how they handle it. I am interested to knowing more about how they make decisions and what ideas they bring out. Right now they way I have them grouped is: (No particular order) Interested Biden not interested Former Rep. Beto O’Rourke, Gov. John Hickenlooper Sen. Kamala Harris Pete Buttigieg Trending Down Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, Sen. Cory Booker Sen. Elizabeth Warren I'd move her to "holding steady" Not interested Sen. Amy Klobuchar I'd move her to trending down. Sen. Bernie Sanders Julian Castro Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Who? Gov. Jay Inslee Marianne Williamson Andrew Yang John Kevin Delaney This is very very close to the way I feel, with the above minor differences in bold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Bill Mahr explained this a few weeks ago. Democrats always latch onto something and tear down their own candidates whereas Republicans get on board. The audacity of Harris to prosecute criminals while working as a prosecutor gasp! Unless someone can prove she overstepped her bounds or was heavy handed, I don't have a problem with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted March 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, oldschool said: Bill Mahr explained this a few weeks ago. Democrats always latch onto something and tear down their own candidates whereas Republicans get on board. Huh? While this is true, at this stage that doesn't make any sense. Republicans jump on board with their chosen candidate once someone wins the nomination. They went after each other with knives and claws in the last primary. It's happened plenty before, too. They tore poor Dole up for being a RINO, W went scorched earth on McCain, etc. This is absolutely the time to put these candidates through the ringer. Gotta see who can withstand the heat and scrutiny. Trump and his minions sure aren't going to take it easy on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Legaltitan said: Huh? While this is true, at this stage that doesn't make any sense. Republicans jump on board with their chosen candidate once someone wins the nomination. They went after each other with knives and claws in the last primary. It's happened plenty before, too. They tore poor Dole up for being a RINO, W went scorched earth on McCain, etc. This is absolutely the time to put these candidates through the ringer. Gotta see who can withstand the heat and scrutiny. Quote the whole post next time. The point is that Dems latch onto dumb shit like getting mad at a prosecutor for prosecuting criminals without looking deeper rather than focusing on policy stances that differentiate the candidates from one another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted March 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, oldschool said: Quote the whole post next time. The point is that Dems latch onto dumb shit like getting mad at a prosecutor for prosecuting criminals without looking deeper rather than focusing on policy stances that differentiate the candidates from one another. Ok. I read your entire post and don't get Maher's criticism. I just think this is a mis-application of the maxim "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line." It's the primaries. And I don't think Harris' time as a prosecutor is "dumb shit" - it isn't to black voters. Personally it doesn't bother me she did her job as a prosecutor. I do have a problem with her being super cool and all for criminal justice reform now, when she made her name and her career being a prosecutor. I want to know how aggressive she was as a prosecutor, and what positions did she personally take at the time. No one forced her to be a prosecutor, and certainly no one forced her to be overly aggressive (if she was, I don't know). Even if it was "dumb shit" (Beto's "privilege" is indeed "dumb shit") they call it the "silly season" for a reason. The Klobachar being an asshole stuff seemed a little silly, too, and like a hit job, but definitely it was something worth exploring. Sorry, I don't get the issue. The candidates are jockying for position, are being vetted by the voters, the media, and each other. It's what should happen. If the person is a good candidate, dumb shit doesn't even stick anyway. You will recall Hillary threw the kitchen sink of dumb shit at Obama - dumb racist shit, in fact. He was a good candidate and overcame it. Stuff 100x worse than this is coming, and you have a dozen very good candidates running for the nomination right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 53 minutes ago, oldschool said: Bill Mahr explained this a few weeks ago. Democrats always latch onto something and tear down their own candidates whereas Republicans get on board. The audacity of Harris to prosecute criminals while working as a prosecutor gasp! Unless someone can prove she overstepped her bounds or was heavy handed, I don't have a problem with it. Dems say this but I don't know that its true. I think the Republicans did everything they could to tear each other down too. I mean.. didn't Trump some how link a candidate to an assassination attempt? In the end, they didn't hold back. They just coalesced around Anti-Hillary pretty strongly. Hillary just never able to pull the party back together. That's a prerequisite of a successful candidate of any party. She had a lot against her, but its really irrelevant. She didn't do it. The candidate needs to have that ability after its all said and done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 she'd get destroyed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 It’s still early idk if she’s floundering at all. She gained the third most money despite not having a ready built base like Bernie or Beto. She did it from small donors. Beto didn’t announce how many donors he had so you’d assume he had fewer donors giving higher dollar amounts. She’s generating a lot of interest, more than anyone else so far. She’s in a good spot. Seems like to me Bernie, Beto, Harris, and Biden if he gets on are in the top tier. I think the debates will help clarify things a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 Being a prosecutor appeals to conservatives. The Democratic nominee needs to get out the liberal vote. Harris doesn't seem to have the right pieces. Prefer say Warren to Harris honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 19, 2019 Report Share Posted March 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, patsplat said: Being a prosecutor appeals to conservatives. The Democratic nominee needs to get out the liberal vote. Harris doesn't seem to have the right pieces. Prefer say Warren to Harris honestly. ? This literally doesn't make any sense. There are plenty of democratic lawmakers who have a background in prosecution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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