IsntLifeFunny Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Starkiller said: The EU is an attempt to unify the European countries into something akin to the United States. Shared economy, shared laws, shared oversight, shared military (eventually), etc... Unless you think the United States was a terrible idea and is a massive failure as a country then I’m not really sure what the argument against the EU is... That’s apples and oranges. The 13 colonies very quickly became a nation. After that we continued adding states. The European countries have a very long history with their own identity. I’m not saying the EU is a bad idea but the two situations are very different. WG53, and PetroleroTitanico 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: That’s apples and oranges. The 13 colonies very quickly became a nation. After that we continued adding states. The European countries have a very long history with their own identity. I’m not saying the EU is a bad idea but the two situations are very different. Oh, I’m not pretending the situations are exactly the same. But after centuries of warring with each other they finally got to a point of working together. They won’t have an alliance as comprehensive as the United States has, but they are generally better off with a European equivalent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 https://politicalwire.com/2018/06/30/the-other-russia-scandal-breaks-wide-open/ pat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 Putin has been interfering with elections throughout Europe for the last 2 years (at least). Probably happened before the Brexit vote but at least that long. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Starkiller said: Putin has been interfering with elections throughout Europe for the last 2 years (at least). Probably happened before the Brexit vote but at least that long. He's succeeding too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 reo, and Starkiller 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Starkiller Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 More and more evidence that Trump is Putin’s bitch... reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395324-trump-planning-one-on-one-meeting-with-putin-without-aides-present President Trump is planning on meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin alone later this month, a source told CNN. More aides are expected to join the two world leaders later in the meeting, which is expected to cover election interference, Syria and nuclear weapons. CNN noted that without other aides present, that part of the meeting will be without an official record — making it difficult to conclude whether they reached any agreements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 Of course he is. Needs to see what type if help he can expect for the mid terms. MamlngEnvy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 Trump rips into Germany at NATO chief breakfast U.S. President Donald Trump laced into Germany ahead of a high-stakes NATO leaders’ summit in Brussels, declaring at a breakfast meeting Wednesday morning that Germany is “totally controlled by Russia” and lashing out at the controversial Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project. Trump’s remarks appeared to stun NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, who has been working hard to convince Trump that NATO allies are responding to the president’s repeated demands for increased military spending. “I think it’s very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia, where you’re supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia,” Trump said in his opening remarks at the breakfast, which were broadcast live on television. Trump’s tirade against Germany — the biggest and richest NATO ally after the United States — kicked off the two-day congress of NATO heads of state and government with a combative and deeply negative tone, with the president harping on one of the most deeply divisive issues among NATO allies and within the European Union. “It should have never been allowed to have happened,” Trump said. “But Germany is totally controlled by Russia. Because they’ll be getting 60 to 70 percent of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline … I think it’s a very bad thing for NATO and I don’t think it should have happened, and I think we have to talk to Germany about it.” In attacking Germany over the gas pipeline project, Trump was also making a potentially dangerous link between security and defense issues and economic disputes. Before leaving Washington on Tuesday, Trump criticized NATO and EU allies simultaneously over military spending and on trade. European Council President Donald Tusk, appearing at a news conference with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on Wednesday morning, conceded that there was deep disagreement in the EU over the Nord Stream project. In that sense, Trump is hitting at an area where the EU and NATO allies are extremely vulnerable. https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-nato-summit-rips-into-germany/ Starkiller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 Trump is attempting to divide NATO which is exactly what Putin wants. If A. Merkle and Germany are under the control of Russia as Trump just said, why is Merkle leading the effort to keep sanctions on Russia because of Crimea? Furthermore, if Germany is under the control of Russia because Germany buys their natural gas, then what does that say about the US when China buys our T-bills? pamo9, OILERMAN, and PetroleroTitanico 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, ben4titans said: Putin is going to be pissed at Trump....unless.... unless....this is all an act to cover for their super secret collusion....that unlikely but possibly started in 1987 (according to some kook on MSNBC the other night). I love how the Left demonized Alex Jones for years....then they became him. Yeah I’m sure Putin is pissed that the US is dogging its allies left and right. It must really piss him off that Trump is pushing Germany towards them and away from us. He must be furious. Edited July 11, 2018 by IsntLifeFunny PetroleroTitanico 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 3 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Yeah I’m sure Putin is pissed that the US is dogging its allies left and right. It must really piss him off that Trump is pushing Germany towards them and away from us. He must be furious. Big picture, this is how Trump's trip will go. He will be ultra confrontational with our allies, and conciliatory with Putin. Same as he did at the G7 and with North Korea. Just substitute Merkle for Trudeau and Putin for Kim Jong-un. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 29 minutes ago, ben4titans said: Yes, I'm sure Putin loves that Trump is meddling with their biggest export. Do you think Merkel is going to listen to him about this? lol you appear even dumber than I gave you credit for. If anything this further loosens our alliance with nothing to gain. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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