Face Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 7 hours ago, AussieTitanFan08 said: really torn on what we should do at WR, can make an argument that Williams/Ross/Davis would all add something to our offense but on the downside each has at least one significant question mark about them. question for everyone would you prefer one of the big 3 Williams/Ross/Davis in the first round or trading around and ending up with Chris Godwin and Zay Jones in the 2nd round. I think Zay Jones would be a massive mistake. I don't want to put too much credence into Football Outsiders but they have very good rating systems. They've found that possession receivers in college with low YPC almost always bust in the NFL. They also found catches & yards don't matter as much as TD's & YPC, especially TD's per pass play. And also rushing attempts believe it or not. And vertical jump. They have Zay Jones with a terrible rating. Then again they also gave Corey Coleman one of the highest scores ever last year, though he did have 4/145 in his 1st game & then was injured with bad QB's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnoxTitan Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 7 hours ago, AussieTitanFan08 said: really torn on what we should do at WR, can make an argument that Williams/Ross/Davis would all add something to our offense but on the downside each has at least one significant question mark about them. question for everyone would you prefer one of the big 3 Williams/Ross/Davis in the first round or trading around and ending up with Chris Godwin and Zay Jones in the 2nd round. Give me one of the big 3. Those guys are excellent players who project to be excellent NFLers. You hope they can overcome their flaws. Those guys in the 3rd round have flaws as well, the biggest one is the fact that they just aren't that good. Otherwise, they wouldn't be projected 3rd rounders. Maybe they become elite NFL players. Probably not though. It's playing the odds. Guys like Davis, Williams, Ross all have better chances to be high level NFL players than guys like Kupp, Jones, Godwin. And let's not forget the microscope that these guys are under, especially these first rounders. These guys were flat out dominant in games, and then we nitpick them to death for 4 months. I guarantee you that if you put guys like Jones and Godwin under the same microscope, there would be plenty to pick them apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Also, apparently many in the analytic community was expecting Coleman to be the Browns pick. Numbers wise & workout wise he was an ideal WR prospect. The spread offense was the only issue. So the posters who hated the trade can say we could've taken CC & had last years 3rd & this years 2nd lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 A recent thing I've started to notice with Williams is how poorly he times he jumps. He still comes up with the ball, but that scares me against NFL corners. Still don't have a problem with JRob taking his guy though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 1 hour ago, TeamRamrod27 said: A recent thing I've started to notice with Williams is how poorly he times he jumps. He still comes up with the ball, but that scares me against NFL corners. Still don't have a problem with JRob taking his guy though. Too early? I think I've seen this often (including with DBs), but strangely enough it seems to allow them to push off more as it looks like they are fighting for the ball -- albeit too early. aside: timing the high point is what made Moss the best WR I've ever seen on deep routes. Dude would just go get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 Im fine with any WR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaTitan Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 I'm beginning to become ok with the idea of drafting Ross. Thinking he can become what KW was supposed to be for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 8 hours ago, Kyle021 said: If we can drop to 12 and grab a second from Cleveland so they can get Trubisky at 5 then I would love for us to take any of the three WR. Don't care who. Just get one. They all fit perfect. My personal preference has and continues to be Ross. I just love his game. Sure handed. Speed for days. Good route runner. Physical. He can play multiple spots and return. I would want him over all 3 Davis is a more all around guy. The drop thing doesn't scare me. Every WR drops the ball here and there. He is a bigger yet slower version of Ross but faster and more polished route runner than Williams. Williams had the size and speed and is a go getter. He needs to polish his routes. They are almost DGB bad. However he works hard loves the game and will get better. I really expect us to trade back with Cleveland if Trubisky is there and net a 2nd and swap our conditional 3rd for the top 3rd as compensation. We could then land Ross, Reddick/Davis at ILB and a CB like White, Tankersley, King, Jackson, or Kevin King in 2 and get 3 instant day one players. Throw in a WR like Kupp or Godwin or Jones or Smith-Schuster in 3 and a TE like Roberts or Kittle with our other 3rd and we are talking serious talent added. (We could even land Everett in 2 and go Cutrer, Witherspoon, Sutton, Awuzie in 3) Our 4th rounder could then be an OLB, DE, or 3rd down RB. i think we draft a QB in 4 or 5 if say Webb or Peterman are there. Awuzie likely isn't making it out of the 1st. No way he is there in 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 12 hours ago, TeamRamrod27 said: A recent thing I've started to notice with Williams is how poorly he times he jumps. He still comes up with the ball, but that scares me against NFL corners. Still don't have a problem with JRob taking his guy though. Apparently there's a direct correlation with vertical jump & WR production, and Williams vertical isn't great. I hate to overly obsess on analytics but I've been reading a lot about it the last 2 days & Williams worried me. Im hoping for defense & then Davis or Ross at 18, preferably Ross. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmeade- Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 I don't think teams are cooling on Davis necessarily, I think the media guys are just finding out that the scouts have had Williams as the number 1 the whole time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 If this report leads to us being able to land Davis at 18 or later then this is great news. Getting Lattimore/Hooker/Williams/Ross at 5 and then Davis at 18 is an absolute dream scenario for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 24 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: If this report leads to us being able to land Davis at 18 or later then this is great news. Getting Lattimore/Hooker/Williams/Ross at 5 and then Davis at 18 is an absolute dream scenario for me. Williams and Davis??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 19 hours ago, Face said: So the posters who hated the trade can say we could've taken CC & had last years 3rd & this years 2nd lol. I don't think you'll find many posters who "hated" the trade, given how good Conklin turned out. If the Browns knew he was going to be that good, they would have taken him themselves as would almost every other team. The question, and it's a fair one, remains: did we pay too much? JRob's scrambling to get a 2nd round pick is a constant reminder of the steep price we paid and of that question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 23 hours ago, GLinks said: I still love McCaffrey for this offense at 18, and yes I think he can be that slot guy. If it was an all offense 1st round, Howard/McCaffrey is about as good as it gets, to me. He could realistically be in the top 5 offensive players on the Titans' draft board and be a guy they decide to grab. They may have him ranked above Davis and Ross for all we know. The problem seems to be that it is unlikely that either Howard or McCaffrey will be there at 1-18 so we have to substitute for one or the other. Stand pat and take OJ Howard at 1-5 and which wide receiver can do what McCaffrey could do for this team? On the other hand, take McCaffrey at 1-5 and which TE could we get at 1-18 who can approximate Howard? Seems like it will be easier to find another Howard than another McCaffrey... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 7 hours ago, Titans279 said: Williams and Davis??? Wouldn't be ideal but it sure would be interesting. Alright, I guess not Wiliiams lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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