OILERMAN Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 8 hours ago, Mythos27 said: I don't agree with the decision making part (even though he did make pretty good decisions) but watching last year, I did feel he had ELITE level accuracy I've only seen on guys that will be in Canton one day. Doesn't mean Mariota will ever reach that obviously. I didn't think that accuracy could take such a hit on a QB but the last two years have really shaken that belief. I think it's pretty simple, last year was Mariota's first year, defenses did have the book on him, much like Prescott and Wentz now. I'm sure defenses have studied his tendencies and take away what he likes to throw, he's breaking down his mechanics when he doesn't see what he wants and his accuracy is off when it happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVTITAN Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 3 hours ago, OILERMAN said: I think it's pretty simple, last year was Mariota's first year, defenses did have the book on him, much like Prescott and Wentz now. I'm sure defenses have studied his tendencies and take away what he likes to throw, he's breaking down his mechanics when he doesn't see what he wants and his accuracy is off when it happens Care to make a prediction on Prescott and Wentz next year or later this year? Ive read your all in/ all out shit about MM depending on who you are flaming. Make a call wise one who's better. Now? 8 games out? 16 games out? make a stand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhNoMularkey Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 1 hour ago, BergerKing said: Brady and Rogers were both good passers already. Don't kid yourself. Oh, this is too easy .... http://thesidelineview.com/columns/nfl/can-quarterbacks-mechanics-be-altered A simple google search shows that McCarthy changed Rodgers mechanics, and Rodgers himself said what was wrong with his mechanics in his own words. With Brady, anyone who's seen him in his early years knows that the knock on him was that he had a weak arm, and wasn't good at the deep ball. At the time, the argument was you didn't need a strong arm, as Montana didn't have one. Even as late as 2007, Brady would throw a deep ball to Moss, where it arrived to him end-over-end like a kick. This is from memory, though, but I'm not alone in this. No matter, Rodgers is arguably the best QB in this generation, and he had terrible mechanics coming out of college, verified in his own words, and good coaching helped him to be the QB he is today. Why even argue that good coaching is necessary to develop young QBs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 BK just got destroyed by a sock puppet. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 1 hour ago, OhNoMularkey said: Oh, this is too easy .... http://thesidelineview.com/columns/nfl/can-quarterbacks-mechanics-be-altered A simple google search shows that McCarthy changed Rodgers mechanics, and Rodgers himself said what was wrong with his mechanics in his own words. With Brady, anyone who's seen him in his early years knows that the knock on him was that he had a weak arm, and wasn't good at the deep ball. At the time, the argument was you didn't need a strong arm, as Montana didn't have one. Even as late as 2007, Brady would throw a deep ball to Moss, where it arrived to him end-over-end like a kick. This is from memory, though, but I'm not alone in this. No matter, Rodgers is arguably the best QB in this generation, and he had terrible mechanics coming out of college, verified in his own words, and good coaching helped him to be the QB he is today. Why even argue that good coaching is necessary to develop young QBs? Napoleon is pretty sure Rodgers had a 13-3 season before McCarthy got there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 5 hours ago, WVTITAN said: Care to make a prediction on Prescott and Wentz next year or later this year? Ive read your all in/ all out shit about MM depending on who you are flaming. Make a call wise one who's better. Now? 8 games out? 16 games out? make a stand I'd guess Prescott comes back to Earth, he's really not tearing up right now. I think Wentz is the real deal and continues to play well. He's had a couple of long TDs flat out dropped too I def take Mariota over Prescott, I'd take Wenzt over MM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 McCarthy may have his issues as an in game coach but he's probably the best in the league in terms of QB development, from a technique standpoint. He has a QB school that people rave about, apparently he goes into incredible detail, things most coaches wouldn't even think of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzyeddie Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 I haven't watched the eagles but wondering if they are catching every team they play a little off guard considering there really isn't a book on the QB or the Coach. I will be interested to see what happens when they get into some divisional games. I still dont think it's that tough of a division though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Both guys significantly improved their arm strength from when they first came into the league. Particularly Brady. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Just now, scine09 said: Both guys significantly improved their arm strength from when they first came into the league. Particularly Brady. This is popular thought now but I don't buy it. Brady was fine at Michigan but didn't have an NFL Conditioning program. It's not like the Pats reinvented him and gave him a golden arm. The same is true of Rodoers. Both guys would have been very good to excellent players no matter where they landed. That's what HOF'ers do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 26 minutes ago, oldschool said: This is popular thought now but I don't buy it. Brady was fine at Michigan but didn't have an NFL Conditioning program. It's not like the Pats reinvented him and gave him a golden arm. The same is true of Rodoers. Both guys would have been very good to excellent players no matter where they landed. That's what HOF'ers do. Brady may have never even seen the field if he was drafted into a different situation with a different team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Jake Locker was one of the great busts of our time... wow I can't believe we drafted a guy only to see him retire 4 years later because he realized he wasn't good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 1 hour ago, scine09 said: Brady may have never even seen the field if he was drafted into a different situation with a different team. This is flat out dumb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 3 hours ago, oldschool said: This is flat out dumb. Yeah? How so? Do you even remember what Brady was like in 2001? Checkdown after checkdown after checkdown. If he was a 6th round pick by, say, the Colts, playing behind Manning and lousy coaching would he have seen the field? Or if he was drafted by what was then a bad team in Arizona? Remember, he was a 6th round pick. He would have had to play out of this world to be made the QB of the future, as we discussed and you basically said yourself with Mettenberger. New England's defense was extremely opportunistic that year allowing Brady to manage games early on. He wouldn't have had that in Arizona or a similar situation and likely would have been passed over for a higher draft pick the next year or a veteran. He grew immensely as a QB by actually playing but he also got great coaching by Belichick. There really aren't many other situations he could have been drafted into that allowed him to flourish enough early to be made the QB of the future. New England was an absolutely perfect situation for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jd8 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Brady's arm strength of course has gotten better I think most QBs do with good coaching, improved mechanics/footwork and conditioning. But as far as Bradys accuracy in the deep passing game you can't argue facts and it's a fact that he does not have good accuracy on deep passes. He went through a stretch with Moss and Welker where he was very good on the deeper stuff (personnel doesn't matter) But he's never been very good at it but he really doesn't have to be. Because he's the best QB inside 15-20 yards. And that's really what counts. He's good enough to keep a defense honest. And that doesn't stop them from trying which I think is big for any offense because if you throw them they have to defend them. The Patriots attempted the 8th most deep passes last year (passes traveling further then 20 yards) Even though Bradys comp % on the same passes ranked near the bottom at 26th. I obviously don't remember exact numbers but I know for the first half of the 2014 season he was like record breaking bad. He was something horrible like 3-24 on passes traveling more then 20 yards. I read an article awhile back and I really liked how they broke it down when they were comparing deep passing accuracy. And instead of completions and incompletions which is very flawed obviously because you can have very good WRs making plays on bad balls and guys like Justin Hunter dropping perfect passes. They had Mariota and Brady as far as 2015 ranked right around the middle of the pack 15-17 area. They had Mariota at like 22 inaccurate passes 18 accurate ones. Catches didn't matter it was all about ball placement and if the WR had to really slow down or stop that was considered inaccurate. What suprised me in the article was they had Jamies Winston around the bottom and Tannehill was in the top 10 and Osweiler was the worst. Brady was criticized for years about his deep passing but he is living proof that you make your money inside of 20 yards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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