Rogue Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Jamalisms said: It's been clear for awhile during this cycle that a solid mass of people are fatigued with the status quo of politics. On both sides. Hillary represents that stay quo to such a degree that she's unsupportable for many. At least for now. If the sentiment is strong enough, i think it is for a large percentage, people will knowingly vote against their interests by not ensuring Trump is beaten... and they'll stay home or view 3rd party. They think they'll change the system and will risk Trump to do so. I don't think the Democrat establishment realizes the extent of this sentiment. They're too comfortable in their power and confident in Trump's unpopularity. Yep. There's Democrat's on this board that feel the same way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, Cyrus said: Clinton-Kaine is one of the best centrist, moderate tickets in a while. That's not status quo as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps true. That's not a message people will buy, however. The popularity of the sentiment of change from Obama was underestimated, imo. Bernie represented it. Hillary, however, is a return to professional politicians. That's not popular even if the ticket's policies would be centrist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 I think many millennials and self-proclaimed progressives simply want their movement, their stand in their lifetime. They want their civil rights marches, they want their Vietnam to protest. The gritty details, the real discussions and the work are subordinate to the emotional high of fighting for some perceived noble goal. Both movements in each party are not rooted in some type of intellect or thoughtful rationale. It's 100% emotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 There are a lot of voters in this cycle who don't really know Clinton, too. They don't know what Clinton has done or her record. Many of them have probably never seen her speak outside of the debates this year. There are reasons to disagree with her or to prefer some other candidate. These Bernie supporters who hate Clinton must have no context or no concept of what the Clinton's have done for the party. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, Cyrus said: Clinton-Kaine is one of the best centrist, moderate tickets in a while. That's not status quo as far as I'm concerned. @chef nailed it. Bernie and Trump made both made huge promises that few people think they can keep and they can't. Hillary has a much more modest set of policy proposals. It's hard for her message to compete unless you are into policy details especially when it is drowned out by the email stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 29 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Millenials... Occupy. Odd that democrats across the board embraced them in 2011. And now they're paying for their tone-deafness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Perhaps true. That's not a message people will buy, however. The popularity of the sentiment of change from Obama was underestimated, imo. Bernie represented it. Hillary, however, is a return to professional politicians. That's not popular even if the ticket's policies would be centrist. Obama is a the perfect example of what voting change for the sake of change gets you. He didn't transform Washington like his young supporters thought he would. Hell he knew within weeks he wouldn't be able to deliver on most of his platform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 If these people voted in off years, or in state level elections perhaps all these blue states wouldn't have GOP governors and the House and Senate wouldn't be GOP. That's what annoys me about these people. They think they can just vote for Bernie and it'll all be fixed (similar to Trump's "I alone can fix this"). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, ctm said: @chef nailed it. Bernie and Trump made both made huge promises that few people think they can keep and they can't. Hillary has a much more modest set of policy proposals. It's hard for her message to compete unless you are into policy details especially when it is drowned out by the email stuff. Right now those voters are a bunch of (80's?) drunk college frat boys, and while stumbling down the middle of Bourbon Street during Mardi Gras on one side is a calm, quiet girl wearing glasses with her hair pulled back who might want to meet up for coffee later, and on the other is an 40DD hooker in a thong with a Free BlowJobs sign in hand. Trust me, no one is thinking about who will be better to take home to the parents a year from now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 I think the millennial turnout will be extremely low this election. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, headhunter said: I think the millennial turnout will be extremely low this election. I heard they're introducing a 100 new Pokeman Go characters that week - none near voting sites - so yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 40 minutes ago, Cyrus said: Clinton-Kaine is one of the best centrist, moderate tickets in a while. That's not status quo as far as I'm concerned. I completely agree. In a time of partisan grid lock-- its a great solution. IF we can get it elected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 25 minutes ago, oldschool said: Obama is a the perfect example of what voting change for the sake of change gets you. He didn't transform Washington like his young supporters thought he would. Hell he knew within weeks he wouldn't be able to deliver on most of his platform. Obama was actually a pleasant surprise in terms of how well he adjusted. It just took him most of his first term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted July 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Man maybe this is just what the Dems needed. Everyone loves a train wreck. Whereas before folks prolly wouldn't have been very interested in this convention, now it's like must see TV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 hour ago, oldschool said: Obama is a the perfect example of what voting change for the sake of change gets you. He didn't transform Washington like his young supporters thought he would. Hell he knew within weeks he wouldn't be able to deliver on most of his platform. Voting for change once, yes. Many instances over time? Perhaps a shift is generated. Hillary kills that, which is the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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