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@oldschool @TitanTez @charleytolar Get in here and give us your top 5 guys

I’m asking this question for the sake of debate and to narrow comparisons to Robinson for an in depth comparison. My contention is that Robinson is a top 10 drafting GM and likely top 7-8 overall. Here are Mine: Mickey Loomis Kevin Colbert Jason Licht Brett Veach Brandon Beane

How so?

I agree, so I’ll drop Schneider despite the fanfare and will add Beane due to his recent success. Or maybe Ballard since he is in the division.

Yep, and I’m asking because I want to do an in depth comparison.

Yeah, for sure. But most league observers consider him to be one of the top GMs based on a long term proven track record. I personally think Wilson covers his deficiencies.

I'm curious who people think are demonstrably better drafting GMs than Robinson. Are there 5 we can mostly agree on? My 5 just based on auxiliary general knowledge without intense research would be: Kevin Colbert Jason Licht Brett Veach Mickey Loomis John Schneider I think good arguments could be made for Beane, Spielman, Roseman, Telesco, Lynch, Ballard but that's more controversial and debatable. Legitimately curious which 5 @oldschool thinks are the top 5 *drafting* GMs in the league, as he is one of the posters here with a good general knowledge of the league.

The fact is that Robinson is a top tier (top 10) GM in the NFL right now. It's not really debatable and not even worthy of debate, it's immensely self-apparent.

Only 8 of the 33 players Robinson has drafted are out of the league. Do you have any concept of how low of a total bust rate that is? Even Brad Seaton and Cole McDonald are rostered. Austin Johnson is a starting DL for the Giants after re-signing there. And you know what's missing in this conversation? Robinson's propensity for finding good UDFAs that stick here or around the league.

What am I missing here? What are we comparing the draft classes against? The '95 Bucs class? The '96 Ravens? The '83 Bears?

Whether players are still rostered on the drafting team or not is a totally bogus/irrelevant way to judge draft picks. Out of 9 draft picks in 2017, he got 4 legitimate long term starters. That's a very good draft class. Three All Pros in 2016, amazing draft class. In 2018, two starters (one shouldn't be imo) and our top STer. 2019: Simmons, AJB, Nate Davis, Amani Hooker. 4 starters, 3 are Pro Bowl caliber. Yes, 2020 was poor - no one will disagree. So that's 3 excellent draft classes, one mediocre class, and one poor to mediocre one (TBD depending on the contributions of Fulton and Darrynton Evans). What are you looking at here?

They really cannot afford to do that imo. I can see defense in the first round, but then you need to go offense with at least 2 if not all 3 of the next 3 picks.

So many good picks to choose from! Henry, AJB, Byard... Then there are some really good picks that went elsewhere for financial reasons: Conklin, Corey Davis, Jonnu Smith And how about trades? Tannehill, Murray, Kelly. And his actual poor picks are so few and far between....... Wait...this is kind of starting to paint a picture.....

Tart is stout/squatty and powerful enough to swing it. He's definitely over 300 lbs now. There's definitely a size floor for the position, but it's more about strength, power, ability. My personal preference in an ideal world for a traditional 3-4 is to have the huge 6'2, 340 pound guy there. But in the modern NFL, you need someone who can provide a little rush here and there too.

I can't imagine them adding enough firepower in 2022 to pass that SCOTUS bill. Even with a 4 or 5 seat majority, I don't think they could swing it in the Senate, and they'd need a huge House Majority to manage it. And I don't know that Biden wouldn't just veto it.

They should. I'd love to see him continuing to develop into a starter.

The thing is that Onwuzurike really doesn't have the profile to play NT, imo. But who knows.

Simmons could easily play NT, but it could be a waste of his talent. Although, he's getting double teamed constantly anyway and having to two gap quite a bit, so it wouldn't be a ton different in terms of production. He's got a similar strength profile and build to Suh, who plays a lot of 1 tech shade and 4T.

There was a report previously (can't remember from who) that some teams view Barmore as a top 15 talent. And I'd agree, but Barmore is universally ranked as the number 1 DL in the draft. I still believe he'd prefer to go corner.

I can see Barmore, but not Onwuzurike at 22.

I'd trade up to a 5th rounder for him probably, really liked him coming out.

7th sounds about right for Robinson, but Ballard being ranked number 1 is just plain stupid. Jerry Jones is way too high, Howie Roseman is way too low.