titanruss Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Just now, IrishTitansFan said: The clarification is when they build the athletic profile of the player, teams use their own hand times and not the tv copy. Whatever way they consolidate that is consistent across the offseason (pro days workouts etc) Schefter reporting is likely accurate as there has long been scepticism on the hand timing of the jump off on laser timing I can dig that... but with the caveat that it's just as likely that he got the 4 fastest times from scouts he could find and posted that for an under the table handy from Tates agent. IrishTitansFan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, TerryBoats said: None of the Top 5 leaders in receiving yardage last year ran a 40. Neither did Nabors, Harrison, Jr., McMillan, nor the top guys in this year's draft. So it's hard to make a correlation between timed speed and separation since receivers are opting out now. But Davante Adams ran a 4.56 and he separated more than any other WR in his prime. I don't think the 40 changed any minds about him, but I also think he is way over hyped and wouldn't be considered a 1st round prospect if he played for any other school. I think the opposite. If he played for another school he's probably viewed more favorably because he would likely have two years of big numbers Callidus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 9 minutes ago, titanruss said: ...but I can also understand that he is bigger than 95% (this number will shrink in the pros) of these DBs and should still be making more individual plays after the catch than he has been. His yards per reception went up in 2025, which should show a role on deeper routes, right? Do deeper routes not correlate to fewer YAC opportunities? 9 minutes ago, titanruss said: He isnt shedding off tackles or staying on his feet like I would want from a top 5 WR ... especially not enough to warrant taking over 6 other guys that are better overall players and /or as good but at a higher quality postition. He may be taller than the dbs he's facinf, but he's not necessarily that much bigger. He's 192 lbs, which is a bit light for a guy who is 6'3". If he could put on about 10-15 more pounds of muscle you'd think more broken tackles would be a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) 59 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said: His yards per reception went up in 2025, which should show a role on deeper routes, right? Do deeper routes not correlate to fewer YAC opportunities? He may be taller than the dbs he's facinf, but he's not necessarily that much bigger. He's 192 lbs, which is a bit light for a guy who is 6'3". If he could put on about 10-15 more pounds of muscle you'd think more broken tackles would be a result. He actually came in at 6'2 and 1/4. 67th percentile Makes his frame a little more dense but still on the lighter side. 192lb, 27th percentile. 31 3/4 inch arms 47th percentile big ole mitts at 10 1/4. 85th percentile Edited March 4 by Callidus NashvilleNinja 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, titansfan said: That's overblown. The best receivers outside of Chase and Nabers have run times similar or slower than Tate. You think receivers are faster because the only players who compare at the 40 in the Combine are those who know they will do well. Everyone else opts out You’re misconstruing what I said to argue against some narrative that doesn’t exist. IsntLifeFunny, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, NashvilleNinja said: His yards per reception went up in 2025, which should show a role on deeper routes, right? Do deeper routes not correlate to fewer YAC opportunities? He may be taller than the dbs he's facinf, but he's not necessarily that much bigger. He's 192 lbs, which is a bit light for a guy who is 6'3". If he could put on about 10-15 more pounds of muscle you'd think more broken tackles would be a result. Yeah I just kinda l went over that 1st point. There's still valid opportunities in the table and I don't see it happening enough -even recognizing those fewer opportunities - that makes want to take him over the other guys. When I think of a #4 pick at WR, they need to transcend limited opportunity and show more than just the big catch but doing even more than the play is drawn up for. Agree I'd like to see him beef up. Again, I'm not bashing the guy and would be fine with the pick. I just have other preferences on how to handle the pick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, titansfan said: What's your thought on his ability to gain separation. How much does a 4.52 or a 4.45 influence your opinion there? At the NFL level, I don’t know how well he’ll separate and neither do you. When fans say things like watch the tape, as if they are trained NFL scouts, I roll my eyes. Worse, some of you dudes actually believe you’re better than NFL scouts. It’s completely laughable. What I can say is that his production and grades from actual scouts are not as good as other prospects we’ve seen go that high and an average 40 doesn’t help alleviate concerns. rns90, IsntLifeFunny, and titanruss 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Justafan said: At the NFL level, I don’t know how well he’ll separate and neither do you. When fans say things like watch the tape, as if they are trained NFL scouts, I roll my eyes. Worse, some of you dudes actually believe you’re better than NFL scouts. It’s completely laughable. What I can say is that his production and grades from actual scouts are not as good as other prospects we’ve seen go that high and an average 40 doesn’t help alleviate concerns. The news around the combine said he is the top wr in the class and a tier above the rest. He in all likelihood goes top 10 if not top 5. Seems like they are kinda high on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, titansfan said: I think the opposite. If he played for another school he's probably viewed more favorably because he would likely have two years of big numbers He's had the best WR in the country taking all of the focus away from him. And There are a lot of receivers with big numbers. There's nothing about his tape which suggests that he's a Top 10 talent. It's just the expectation that he's going to translate like the other players who went to his school, and the weakness at the top of this class at the position which pushed him there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Justafan said: You’re misconstruing what I said to argue against some narrative that doesn’t exist. I wasn't responding to you in this post above???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 9 minutes ago, Callidus said: The news around the combine said he is the top wr in the class and a tier above the rest. He in all likelihood goes top 10 if not top 5. Seems like they are kinda high on him. I know you're a stan but let's be real about what we're talking about. Most of the notables, including Brugler, have him ranked in the 7-15 Range, which is probably about right given the lack of top end talent in this draft. That would also seem to suggest that from the consensus scout perspective, taking him at 4 would be largely viewed as a reach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Justafan said: At the NFL level, I don’t know how well he’ll separate and neither do you. When fans say things like watch the tape, as if they are trained NFL scouts, I roll my eyes. Worse, some of you dudes actually believe you’re better than NFL scouts. It’s completely laughable. What I can say is that his production and grades from actual scouts are not as good as other prospects we’ve seen go that high and an average 40 doesn’t help alleviate concerns. I mean I do know what to look for when watching tape. Im not an NFL evaluator by any stretch of the imagination, but its not rocket science especially if you have experience doing it... That said, Tate pretty clearly gets separation even to the untrained eye. I dont know what you are getting at. Scouts look at traits and if the production follows, even better. Tate has both. Literally just watch the game. Its not hard to see. YOU are making this harder than it needs to be-- maybe you dont know whats going on. In which case sit this out brother Edited March 4 by titansfan Justafan, and Callidus 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, titansfan said: I mean I do know what to look for when watching tape. Im not an NFL evaluator by any stretch of the imagination, but its not rocket science especially if you have experience doing it... That said, Tate pretty clearly gets separation even to the untrained eye. I dont know what you are getting at. Scouts look at traits and if the production follows, even better. Tate has both. Literally just watch the game. Its not hard to see. YOU are making this harder than it needs to be-- maybe you dont know whats going on. In which case sit this out brother No you don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Justafan said: No you don't. Brother. It honestly doesnt matter if you dont think i do lol. Im not an NFL scout. Im just a fan with an opinion. If you dont want to hear it, dont. Again, you dont understand what you are watching and you dont respect my opinion. So again sit this one out-- im not going back and forth with you on this. I asked you for your assessment and you went off on some tangent about me not being a scout or knowing what how to watch receivers. Its not advanced science, and I imagine there are others here who've been exposed to playing the game or understanding the the game. Its not a secret. Everyone here can provide their perspective, you chose to not give yours. Edited March 4 by titansfan Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Just now, titansfan said: Brother. It honestly doesnt matter if you dont think i do lol. Im not an NFL scout. Im just a fan with an opinion. If you dont want to hear it, dont. Again, you dont understand what you are watching and you dont respect my opinion. So again sit this one out-- im not going back and forth with you on this. I asked you for your assessment and you went off on some tangent about me not being a scout or knowing what how to watch receivers. Its advanced science, and I imagine there are others who've been exposed to playing the game or understanding the the game. Its not a secret Tell us more about what you look for! The NFL community is dying to learn from your wisdom and experience! Lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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