Titans fire Callahan; Mike McCoy Named Interim

[Mythos27]

Just now, tgo said:

 

In the end, yes. 

That's all I've been saying all season. McCoy said it best; players not plays. 

[TerryBoats]

11 minutes ago, Callidus said:

I believe he was referring to points.

 

Moving the ball is great and its nice to see progress of any kind. But if it doesn't result in more points, its rather hallow. 

 

Lets just see them build on it iver the next couple of weeks. They start hiting 20-25ppg we may have something to look forward to. 

They were missing their WR1 against a top 5 defense and were down 3 scores by the time they even touched the ball in the second half, becoming completely 1 dimensional.  

 

People are being ridiculous.  McCoy did a great job in the first half.  I'm not going to be hard on him or the guys for not staging a massive comeback against Vrabel.

Edited Tuesday at 04:41 PM by TerryBoats

[tgo]

3 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

That's all I've been saying all season. McCoy said it best; players not plays. 

 

Yeah players are always more important imo, that's why I'm big into personnel. But for sustained success, it takes putting good players in position to succeed by doing what they do best. If you're asking the team or individual players to do things they cannot effectively do, that in theory dampens the effectiveness of even good personnel and provides for a disjointed offensive operation. 

 

Right now of course, the Titans have a TON of work to do on the personnel side. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:43 PM by tgo

[Callidus]

Just now, TerryBoats said:

They were missing their WR1 against a top 5 defense and were down 3 scores by the time they even touched the ball in the second half, becoming completely 1 dimensional.  

 

People are being ridiculous.  McCoy did a great job in the first half.

And you are cherrypicking what we are saying. I said multiple times that the game script mccoy came up with was very good. 

 

Stop trying to find stuff to be mad about just because people are being cautious about what we saw. 

[tgo]

Btw - wasn't it refreshing how well the offensive operation went, finally? Much more smooth operation. 

[TerryBoats]

Just now, Callidus said:

And you are cherrypicking what we are saying. I said multiple times that the game script mccoy came up with was very good. 

 

Stop trying to find stuff to be mad about just because people are being cautious about what we saw. 

I'm not making any projections. They could have simply taken NE by surprise.  But the numbers indicate that the offense was much better (but not good) than usual, which should lead to us moving the ball more often in the future, and more points being scored.  

[Mythos27]

Just now, tgo said:

 

Yeah players are always more important imo, that's why I'm big into personnel. But for sustained success, it takes putting good players in position to succeed by doing what they do best. If you're asking the team or individual players to do things they cannot effectively do, that in theory dampens the effectiveness of good personnel and provides for a disjointed offense. 

 

Right now of course, the Titans have a TON of work to do on the personnel side. 

I certainly agree with you. I really just want people to grapple with how much player performance can muddy the waters of analyzing the effectiveness of schemes and coaches. 

[Callidus]

Just now, TerryBoats said:

I'm not making any projections. They could have simply taken NE by surprise.  But the numbers indicate that the offense was much better (but not good) than usual, which should lead to us moving the ball more often in the future, and more points being scored.  

And i said something very similar to that, i just did it in a wait and see way, where you are allready pumped up about it. Either is fine. I dont want to take away from any joy people are getting from this season, we could all use some. I am just trying to stay even keeled till iv got more data points. 

[Mythos27]

4 minutes ago, Callidus said:

And you are cherrypicking what we are saying. I said multiple times that the game script mccoy came up with was very good. 

 

Stop trying to find stuff to be mad about just because people are being cautious about what we saw. 

Notice how no excuses were acceptable before the coaching change. We've had an ever-shifting group along the OL than no one mentioned. Ridley has been a non-factor all season but all of a sudden, he's the reason the offense couldn't muster a point in the second half. Interesting isn't it?

[TerryBoats]

Just now, Mythos27 said:

Notice how no excuses were acceptable before the coaching change. We've had an ever-shifting group along the OL than no one mentioned. Ridley has been a non-factor all season but all of a sudden, he's the reason the offense couldn't muster a point in the second half. Interesting isn't it?

How would that comeback against Arizona have gone without Ridley?  That's got to be the one stint of quality play that you're comparing the 1st half of the last game to, and he was absolutely paramount.  

[Callidus]

1 minute ago, Mythos27 said:

Notice how no excuses were acceptable before the coaching change. We've had an ever-shifting group along the OL than no one mentioned. Ridley has been a non-factor all season but all of a sudden, he's the reason the offense couldn't muster a point in the second half. Interesting isn't it?

The sad part about it all is the 4th rounder lineup has been our best group to date.... and van jefferson . If you read this forum van, i am sorry i wanted to cut in preseason. Lol

[Mythos27]

1 minute ago, Callidus said:

And i said something very similar to that, i just did it in a wait and see way, where you are allready pumped up about it. Either is fine. I dont want to take away from any joy people are getting from this season, we could all use some. I am just trying to stay even keeled till iv got more data points. 

The reason for the rush to judgement is based almost solely on the idea that a better than average (for the Titans) 1st half in and of conclusively proves that coaching was the biggest problem. That is was the coaching holding the players back from playing at a higher level. In a way, it's to be expected since a coaching change does often inspire hope and we had little of that. I'm curious to see how we come out against the Colts and if we can sustain it. 

[Mythos27]

1 minute ago, TerryBoats said:

How would that comeback against Arizona have gone without Ridley?  That's got to be the one stint of quality play that you're comparing the 1st half of the last game to, and he was absolutely paramount.  

He was and yet the only thing I took away from that stretch of play was that we were capable of producing at a higher level than we currently were if only the players played better. I was purposefully cautious of projecting anything for Ridley or the team going forward because I understand that bad rosters can have ebbs and flows of play that looks OK but will inevitably find their way back to baseline. We followed that nice quarter against the Cardinals with a game so bad it made the owner fire the head coach into the sun. A team that averages 13 points per game isn't suddenly improved because they randomly score 24 the next week because the most likely outcome is that they will follow that 24 point performance up with 3 point game. Making declarative statements of improvement after 1 good half of football is premature. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

6 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

The reason for the rush to judgement is based almost solely on the idea that a better than average (for the Titans) 1st half in and of conclusively proves that coaching was the biggest problem. That is was the coaching holding the players back from playing at a higher level. In a way, it's to be expected since a coaching change does often inspire hope and we had little of that. I'm curious to see how we come out against the Colts and if we can sustain it. 

No one has said it is the biggest problem. Talent is obviously the major issue. It doesn't mean the coaching, scheme, and play calling didn't suck donkey balls, because they absolutely did. Sunday was much better by every conceivable metric. The wheels fell off, but they showed they can move the ball against a base defense with some consistency. 

[TerryBoats]

1 minute ago, Mythos27 said:

He was and yet the only thing I took away from that stretch of play was that we were capable of producing at a higher level than we currently were if only the players played better. I was purposefully cautious of projecting anything for Ridley or the team going forward because I understand that bad rosters can have ebbs and flows of play that looks OK but will inevitably find their way back to baseline. We followed that nice quarter against the Cardinals with a game so bad it made the owner fire the head coach into the sun. A team that averages 13 points per game isn't suddenly improved because they randomly score 24 the next week because the most likely outcome is that they will follow that 24 point performance up with 3 point game. Making declarative statements of improvement after 1 good half of football is premature. 

I was only referring to that one game.  I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they return to their mean level of play next week.  I knew that this would happen the week after the Arizona game.  But I think this could be different.  We'll see.