Ben Jones on Robiscuit

[TerryBoats]

16 hours ago, titanruss said:

 

Yeah no shit it works. I was shouting for us to run the spread with him back in the day because that's what he was good at in college and when he had his best passing performances in the league. Spread them out, use the big back to pound the weakened front, quick passes and read options to put those LBs in stressed situations, then go deeper on occasion when they start to creep up. 

 

People here begged for more condensed sets and limited routes to protect him. The dumbest shit I ever heard in my life. All it did was muddy the passing lanes and create longer developing routes - negating the extra protection.  Some guys that play like robots do well in those sets. Mariota should have been in shotgun and looking at the field.  He didnt have the arm to rollout and sling it into a tight window 25 yards down field. 

 

Robiskie said to Jones "80% of the offense is Marcus' legs" What in the actual fuck? stupid shit. These idiotic coaches see an athletic player and ignore the stuff they do well  in order to pigeon hole them in an offense that didnt fit. 

I'd like to see Ward in the same system.  I don't think if putting him under the center with condensed formations is as beneficial as running shotgun and spreading the receivers out.  

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 hour ago, begooode said:

 

But is Callahan really accommodating Cam? From one of the breakdowns I heard, the Titans run way more 3 wide receiver offense than the next most team. Much of that can likely be attributed to playing from behind, but what’s the split at halftime? What are the personnel groupings for the purported QB-friendly offenses (ex: Shanahan).  Just seems like this latest from Callahan tailoring his approach for Cam might be coachspeak. 

Before last week the base set regardless of score was shotgun 3 wide. It isn't a QB friendly offense, but Cam is used to the shotgun sets. 

 

Hopefully they saw how many points they left on the field in the first half running under center while going PA early and often. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

25 minutes ago, TerryBoats said:

I'd like to see Ward in the same system.  I don't think if putting him under the center with condensed formations is as beneficial as running shotgun and spreading the receivers out.  

This is the opposite of what we should do as a base offense until the tackle positions are solidified. Even then, under center PA is one of the best plays in football. Not having it as a staple is idiotic. 

[japan]

2 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

This is the opposite of what we should do as a base offense until the tackle positions are solidified. Even then, under center PA is one of the best plays in football. Not having it as a staple is idiotic. 

The under-center PAs we ran early last week seemed to be successful.

[titanruss]

2 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

This is the opposite of what we should do as a base offense until the tackle positions are solidified. Even then, under center PA is one of the best plays in football. Not having it as a staple is idiotic. 

 

I think the discussion is more what should be the base for now. 

Dont eliminate the under center play action, but there's a skill set he's more comfortable with now and it seems to be spread out. Same for college and the shorgun read option was his bread and butter. We arent doing much of those either, (could be because we cant hit on a slant for some weird reason but I digress) despite what Cally said about making his first year feel like the next year of college.  You could see his face light up when the playcall is switch verts or downfield stuff. Watch him get a playcall, when his face lights up its an aggressive pass. 

 

The layered look on the PA rollouts haven't been his best plays and I havent looked but the scramble drill when it fails has only worked on backside prayers. I get the process of starting with that and building an offense from it.. but i think it limits his full skillset if its the base offense. 

Edited 14 hours ago by titanruss

[NewsToTom]

A couple years ago (August 2023, not sure of the exact date), Dave McGinnis was on some show on 104.5 and started telling a story about when he was Cardinals head coach and K Bill Gramatica hurt his knee celebrating a made kick. I didn't take notes at the time on everything he said, but I did note a couple specific details McGinnis told:

(1) The next K (Cedric Oglesby) hit a game-winning FG the next game. He didn't-the Cardinals won the game 17-10.
(2) The Cardinals cut Oglesby after that game. They didn't-he was their kicker the next game as well.
(3) McGinnis was standing on the sidelines with Aeneas Williams watching K tryouts. This definitely didn't happen-Williams had left the Cardinals and signed with the Rams as a free agent.

I don't think there's any reason to believe McGinnis was intentionally lying about any of the story he was telling. Memory is fallible, and different things get smushed together over time in your brain. Jones highlighting how Robiskie was pretty worthless seems accurate, and probably reflects what he thought at the time. Mularkey was never going to not be involved in this thing he cared about, at least as much as he could be.

Overall, in 2016 the gun stuff was more efficient than the base under center stuff. In 2017, the gun stuff was less efficient than the base under center stuff.

Edited 14 hours ago by NewsToTom

[Callidus]

4 hours ago, TerryBoats said:

I'd like to see Ward in the same system.  I don't think if putting him under the center with condensed formations is as beneficial as running shotgun and spreading the receivers out.  

They could still add some bulk running 12 personnel out of shotgun. 

[titanruss]

41 minutes ago, NewsToTom said:

A couple years ago (August 2023, not sure of the exact date), Dave McGinnis was on some show on 104.5 and started telling a story about when he was Cardinals head coach and K Bill Gramatica hurt his knee celebrating a made kick. I didn't take notes at the time on everything he said, but I did note a couple specific details McGinnis told:

(1) The next K (Cedric Oglesby) hit a game-winning FG the next game. He didn't-the Cardinals won the game 17-10.
(2) The Cardinals cut Oglesby after that game. They didn't-he was their kicker the next game as well.
(3) McGinnis was standing on the sidelines with Aeneas Williams watching K tryouts. This definitely didn't happen-Williams had left the Cardinals and signed with the Rams as a free agent.

I don't think there's any reason to believe McGinnis was intentionally lying about any of the story he was telling. Memory is fallible, and different things get smushed together over time in your brain. Jones highlighting how Robiskie was pretty worthless seems accurate, and probably reflects what he thought at the time. Mularkey was never going to not be involved in this thing he cared about, at least as much as he could be.

Overall, in 2016 the gun stuff was more efficient than the base under center stuff. In 2017, the gun stuff was less efficient than the base under center stuff.

 

Multiple sources according to local media have confirmed it. It was said during the broadcast by a non-partial 3rd party. Robiskie can be seen on the sideline without a headset for the entire half. It was heavily rumored to be the case before the playoff game, and Ben Jones - who was directly part of it - says it was true. 

 

Not only that but most doubters in this thread even say it used to be normal for older offenses to run the hurry up on their own. Robiskie was an older Offensive coach. Why is it so hard to believe we were in hurry up the entire second half when we were down 3 scores to start it? 

Believe what you want but consider the basis of the facts and multiple various and separate sources...  anything OTHER than the reported story in this instance is considered a conspiratorial take.  Now Jones character is even being knocked in this thread where it never was before.  Loony talk. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

3 hours ago, japan said:

The under-center PAs we ran early last week seemed to be successful.

It's been successful all year when they've used it. Ward missed two easy outlets to the TE and Dike deep, one where he was streaking open. They need to stick with it and continue building from it. Up tempo spread definitely needs to be used as well. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

3 hours ago, titanruss said:

 

I think the discussion is more what should be the base for now. 

Dont eliminate the under center play action, but there's a skill set he's more comfortable with now and it seems to be spread out. Same for college and the shorgun read option was his bread and butter. We arent doing much of those either, (could be because we cant hit on a slant for some weird reason but I digress) despite what Cally said about making his first year feel like the next year of college.  You could see his face light up when the playcall is switch verts or downfield stuff. Watch him get a playcall, when his face lights up its an aggressive pass. 

 

The layered look on the PA rollouts haven't been his best plays and I havent looked but the scramble drill when it fails has only worked on backside prayers. I get the process of starting with that and building an offense from it.. but i think it limits his full skillset if its the base offense. 

He's been highly successful with the PA rollout before last week where he missed two deep throws and twice with the TE leaking. I don't disagree that Ward is more comfortable with the spread looks. There's nothing wrong with using several series a game spreading out and going up tempo. They should definitely do that more. 

 

Under center has its place and he needs to continue learning how to process those plays. They're there for the taking. 

Edited 11 hours ago by IsntLifeFunny

[OILERMAN]

Ben Jones is going to be on PK’s podcast tomorrow to set the record straight and respond to what Mularkey/Robeskie’s account of how the hurry up/2:00 offense was executed and specific plays called. 
 

Should be around 11:00-11:30 

 

Like @NewsToTom just posted, we can probably just agree poor ol Ben mis-remembered and got carried away. I’m sure he regrets it. 

 

 

[OILERMAN]

Remember when Tony Dungy lied… I mean mis-remembered Greg Williams was targeting Colt players when Dungy was the HC. Turns out Williams wasn’t the DC when Dungy was the Colts HC

 

When it was pointed out Dungy said he wasn’t commenting about it anymore 

 

[titanruss]

Remember that time the guy remembered a thing correctly? Yeah that happens a trillion times every day.. 
 

Good thing we don't have to rely on Ben Jones. We have the tape and tweets and game announcers and Derrick Mason and other players all remembering. 
 

But if you hate truth.... 

[Callidus]

29 minutes ago, titanruss said:

Remember that time the guy remembered a thing correctly? Yeah that happens a trillion times every day.. 
 

Good thing we don't have to rely on Ben Jones. We have the tape and tweets and game announcers and Derrick Mason and other players all remembering. 
 

But if you hate truth.... 

Seems to be the flavor of the day and every day is ground hog day recently 

[OILERMAN]

7 hours ago, titanruss said:

Good thing we don't have to rely on Ben Jones. 

 lol already getting ready the discredit the actual source