OILERMAN Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 I didn’t realize this until I heard a podcast but Bran turned into the bird/s so the NK would be lured to him. That makes more sense why he did it MadMax, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, cenj said: D&D have made a shit ton of money. They have a Star Wars deal. They have their thank you. There's enough budget to do CGI dragon fights and 120+ minutes of undead battle, but they don't have the budget (or time) to hire writers? Ridiculous. They have writers, they clearly want to run the show now and are aiming for mass appeal. True Detective Season 1 was awesome. Season 2 was embarrassing. Fans weren't "thankful" for the shitty writing. They readjusted for season 3, and low and behold, people praised it again. Producers don't get some magic pass anymore than shitty NFL coaches get a pass because "hey, it's a tough job guys!" What should they be doing different with the story? Edited April 30, 2019 by Starkiller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, oldschool said: GoT used to be the best show on TV; it's not anymore. I'd say it's probably still the best show on TV. But it used to be the best show ever. These episodes don't fit that mold. At all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Starkiller said: I think the backlash against the show by some of the superfans is kind of inevitable, sadly. I feel like it happens to so many (all?) good sci-fi/fantasy shows. The writers build a great story with a huge, compelling mystery or a seemingly undefeatable villain. But then... they have to unravel the mystery or defeat the big bad. And then it’s like... that’s it? All the buildup for this? Lost was amazing for years, building mysteries on mysteries, totally drawing in the audience. But eventually they had to come up with an explanation for all the crazy shit. People hated it. Battlestar Galactica (the reboot) was all some mythical search or Earth against the unstoppable juggernaut that was the Cylons (who had a plan). The show was great and they had so many great twists and battles and everything. But the Cylons never really had a plan. And the Cylons were humans all along (what?). And the humans needed a miraculous way to find Earth...so an angel did it for them... Heroes (season 1 was great) built up Sylar as this incredible super powered serial killer stealing powers from other supers and just getting more and more powerful. And the stories they were telling were super compelling. But they had to defeat Sylar in the end, of course, so people complained that it was too easy to defeat him. I’m sure there are other examples out there. I’m not sure if anyone can name any examples where this DOESN'T happen. Maybe Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Maybe Babylon 5? This story builds up the White Walkers as some unstoppable force and they are finally going to attack. What do people think is going to happen? It is obvious the last stand will be Winterfell. It is obvious killing the NK is the only chance of winning because the army of the dead is way too big to defeat without destroying them all at once. Yet people complain about how that storyline it ends, as if it could have been any other way. They complain that a trained assassin with a Valyrian steel dagger and a (show) prophecy does the deed, as if there are a lot of other candidates. They complain. As I have said, we nerds inherently love to pick apart the tiniest details. And we are the audience for these kinds of shows. It’s a bad combination. Not that it isn’t on the writers, too, but I feel like this is just the problem with the genre. Nah, this is bullshit. The biggest issue is the contrast of what it was when they had material to adapt versus what it is now. It's a significant departure and it's jarring. You can give D&D a pass if you want. Blame it on the fact that it's hard to recreate the nuance GRRM invested into the series. Blame it on whatever you want - but don't pretend the change isn't real. It's like your spouse had a sex change and someone is claiming that, you know, marriages are hard and yours is no different ... just try harder to stay together. No, this is a big change. It's rational and reasonable to think it's problematic. It's not like she just changed perfumes. CreepingDeath 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Nah, this is bullshit. The biggest issue is the contrast of what it was when they had material to adapt versus what it is now. It's a significant departure and it's jarring. You can give D&D a pass if you want. Blame it on the fact that it's hard to recreate the nuance GRRM invested into the series. Blame it on whatever you want - but don't pretend the change isn't real. It's like your spouse had a sex change and someone is claiming that, you know, marriages are hard and yours is no different ... just try harder to stay together. No, this is a big change. It's rational and reasonable to think it's problematic. It's not like she just changed perfumes. It isn’t bullshit. These kinds of stories are super hard to wrap up cleanly and the fans are impossible to please. And if you think that’s not true, tell me why Martin can’t seem to do it? No one is pretending D&D are at GRRM's level. I think it’s just time for fans to stop blaming them for not being able to do what Martin isn’t able to do either. How much are they altering his story? We have no idea until he publishes some more books, but George himself says the main points will overwhelmingly be the same. The TV writers are doing the best they can with what they have been given. And the show is constantly savaged by people who then claim “it's probably still the best show on TV”... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Because George spends time on show development, side projects, award series, Westeros histories and other things that interest him and often keep him away from home ... which is the only place, in his specific chair and only on his special computer / typewriter, that he is willing to write. He just doesn't gaf or devote time and energy to it. That's why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 That aside, you're full of apologetic shit and I'm sorry you can't see it. "These poor show runners are trying real hard. Let's give them a pass on every shortcut and bullshit event they choreograph. It's not easy." Aw, that's sad. It must be so hard. No, fuck you. I won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: That aside, you're full of apologetic shit and I'm sorry you can't see it. "These poor show runners are trying real hard. Let's give them a pass on every shortcut and bullshit event they choreograph. It's not easy." Aw, that's sad. It must be so hard. No, fuck you. I won't. It isn’t being an apologist to enjoy a show that even you claim is “probably still the best show on TV”. I just don’t feel a need to strangle the fun out of it. I have no problem being critical of plenty issues, I just don’t think they warrant a meltdown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MadMax Posted April 30, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) I come here excitedly to talk about the show... Wow! Did you see Viserion get his jaw torn off by Rhaegal?!?!?! Wow!! How cool was it to get excited when the Dothraki got their swords fired up, only to see them race off into the darkness and get swallowed??!?!? The first riders came upon a giant, that was chilling.... Wow!!! It was so creepy when the dead were breaking out of their crypts!!!!! Instead, I get buzzkill. Just sour shit heads bitching for the sake of bitching. No, the show isn't as good as it once was, but it's the show we've got. Edited April 30, 2019 by MadMax dreadful grammar OILERMAN, Legaltitan, CreepingDeath, and 5 others 3 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Jamal is just an insufferable twat. NashvilleNinja, and Justafan 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 I’d love to hear a show on right now better than GOT Laughable Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Jamal decided he didn’t like the ending a few years ago!!!! Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: Jamal decided he didn’t like the producers a few years ago!!!! It only gets worse over time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Actually, that's probably not true. Season 5 is still the lowpoint. It's not getting worse, it's just getting more and more clear that's it's not going to get better by and that means it's more frustrating. But that's just the overall trend. This episode, specifically, was obnoxiously bad at what they're bad at. Tropes, false peril / plot armor and a lack of internal consistency abounded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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