TheBukafax Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 20 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: He likely out produces Devonta Smith because of the investment, which has nothing to do with him being the better player. He isn't. I just realized how dumb your argument is lmfao. You say Smith is a better player, I disagree and think Hunter will be the better WR. You argue that NFL stats will be an unfair comparison due to situation yet use college stats as a reasoning to show why Smith is better lol. If Hunter eclipses Smtih statistically in the NFL will you still say Smith is better because he put up numbers in the SEC lol? IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheBukafax said: I just realized how dumb your argument is lmfao. You say Smith is a better player, I disagree and think Hunter will be the better WR. You argue that NFL stats will be an unfair comparison due to situation yet use college stats as a reasoning to show why Smith is better lol. If Hunter eclipses Smtih statistically in the NFL will you still say Smith is better because he put up numbers in the SEC lol? My argument is dumb? Smith put up 1800 yards at Alabama and 1300 yards the year before. Hunter topped out at 1200 lol. They're similar body types, but only one feasted in college, and that was the one who played against SEC competition. That is the basis dum dum. Now, about opportunity cost, they used multiple first rounders on him of course they're going to force feed him the ball; whereas in Philly you have AJ as the dominant All- Pro number one WR and Saquan Barkley as the most dynamic runner in football who also gobbles up targets. They do not run an exotic route tree for Smith because of Hurts limitations and their ability to dominate games and maintain a lead, leading to less opportunities, especially for a route specialist like Smith. Jacksonville on the other hand is a bottom feeding team who will constantly be trailing and will have to throw 50 times a game a lot of weeks...ergo more opportunities. If you don't see how that advantages Hunter then you aren't just autistic...you're a retard. Edited June 19 by IsntLifeFunny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 17 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: My argument is dumb? Smith put up 1800 yards at Alabama and 1300 yards the year before. Hunter topped out at 1200 lol. They're similar body types, but only one feasted in college, and that was the one who played against SEC competition. That is the basis dum dum. Now, about opportunity cost, they used multiple first rounders on him of course they're going to force feed him the ball; whereas in Philly you have AJ as the dominant All- Pro number one WR and Saquan Barkley as the most dynamic runner in football who also gobbles up targets. They do not run an exotic route tree for Smith because of Hurts limitations and their ability to dominate games and maintain a lead, leading to less opportunities, especially for a route specialist like Smith. Jacksonville on the other hand is a bottom feeding team who will constantly be trailing and will have to throw 50 times a game a lot of weeks...ergo more opportunities. If you don't see how that advantages Hunter then you aren't just autistic...you're a retard. Yes that argument is dumb. You want to use college stats Vs college stats with a caveat of competition as to why Smith is better. When we transition over to NFL stats are no longer acceptable because of the reasons you listed above. Those are all valid but so are the situational reasons Smith outperformed Hunter in college that you don’t even mention. They only come up for Smith. First round QB vs fifth round. Best program in college that’s produced numerous first round WRs vs a joke of a program that has none. Surrounded by first round talent vs a couple players even drafted. Playing only WR vs focusing on 2 positions while playing double the snaps. Smith has been abysmal for 10th overall. His even smaller, half the stat having compatriot was drafted above him. Waddle has had an equivalent career and has the better single season to Smith while topping out at 800 yards in college. Waddle also has a top 10 WR in front of him while having worse QB and OL play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 15 minutes ago, TheBukafax said: Yes that argument is dumb. You want to use college stats Vs college stats with a caveat of competition as to why Smith is better. When we transition over to NFL stats are no longer acceptable because of the reasons you listed above. Those are all valid but so are the situational reasons Smith outperformed Hunter in college that you don’t even mention. They only come up for Smith. First round QB vs fifth round. Best program in college that’s produced numerous first round WRs vs a joke of a program that has none. Surrounded by first round talent vs a couple players even drafted. Playing only WR vs focusing on 2 positions while playing double the snaps. Smith has been abysmal for 10th overall. His even smaller, half the stat having compatriot was drafted above him. Waddle has had an equivalent career and has the better single season to Smith while topping out at 800 yards in college. Waddle also has a top 10 WR in front of him while having worse QB and OL play. Lolol you really are a retard eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 And so Hunter playing both ways now is a caveat for his less than superb stats in a terrible conference. Got it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 As I said, Devonta Smith is basically his clone, yet he never produced like him. His ceiling is Devonta Smith getting forcefed the ball. That likely ends up around 1100 to 1200 a year if he's dedicated to WR. If he's trying to go both ways full time he's not going to consistently get 1k yards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 25 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Lolol you really are a retard eh? You’re free to educate this retard on which point is wrong? So far I’ve only seen your argument being 1800 SEC yards is better than 1200 Big 12 yards therefore Smith is better than Hunter? Is there more to it? If 1800 SEC yards is such an irrefutable point to you as to why one player is better than another, Waddle exists. 1800 SEC yards vs 800 SEC yards. Same team, same QB. Yet Smith hasn’t proven to be twice the player Waddle is. The league even viewed 800 SEC yard having Waddle as the better prospect. The explanation for Smiths muted stats makes complete sense. Just like it also makes complete sense why Hunter didn’t put up as much as Smith. Not sure how you can apply that to Smiths NFL career while completely ignoring the similar set of factors that limited Hunter. Put Hunter on LSU as WR only with Joe Burrow he’d have crushed Smith lol. Edit - Yes Hunter playing 2 ways is a major caveat. Extra physical and mental fatigue is going to affect overall play lol. Edited June 19 by TheBukafax Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted June 19 Author Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 5 hours ago, OILERMAN said: We'll see if the production makes the trade worth it. It likely won't be. In the history of the league there are only a handful of WR's that would have been worth taking at #2, much less giving up a 1 and 2 to trade up and do it. Would you give up the #2 pick, a first and a second for guys like Chris Carter, Reggie Wayne, Andre Reed or Isaac Bruce? I sure as hell wouldn't and those guys made the HOF. The production won't be worth it unless he's a Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson type of guy and I doubt that's possible with his undersized frame. Edited June 19 by abenjami OILERMAN, Number9, and Callidus 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 5 minutes ago, TheBukafax said: You’re free to educate this retard on which point is wrong? So far I’ve only seen your argument being 1800 SEC yards is better than 1200 Big 12 yards therefore Smith is better than Hunter? Is there more to it? If 1800 SEC yards is such an irrefutable point to you as to why one player is better than another, Waddle exists. 1800 SEC yards vs 800 SEC yards. Same team, same QB. Yet Smith hasn’t proven to be twice the player Waddle is. The league even viewed 800 SEC yard having Waddle as the better prospect. The explanation for Smiths muted stats makes complete sense. Just like it also makes complete sense why Hunter didn’t put up as much as Smith. Not sure how you can apply that to Smiths NFL career while completely ignoring the similar set of factors that limited Hunter. Put Hunter on LSU as WR only with Joe Burrow he’d have crushed Smith lol. Edit - Yes Hunter playing 2 ways is a major caveat. Extra physical and mental fatigue is going to affect overall play lol. So you're basically agreeing with me. Good talk. Hunter will be forcefed more than Smith because of the amount given up. He may also be playing 2 ways which goes against him. They're very similar builds, strength, speed...etc. One produced and the other produced for a 2 way player. One will be in an offense constantly passing once behind and the other will lean on the run. Smith has shown more as a receiver than Hunter. End story. How their careers develop will be dependent on if Hunter is truly a 2 way player. If he isn't then he will hover with a better average than Smith because of the offense. This isn't rocket science. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: They do not run an exotic route tree for Smith because of Hurts limitations and their ability to dominate games and maintain a lead, leading to less opportunities, especially for a route specialist like Smith. It sucks he signed the extension with the Eagles. I would've loved seeing him play in an offense that utilizes his talents more fully. But I don't imagine he cares too much considering he just got the ultimate Cracker Jack prize out of it. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: So you're basically agreeing with me. Good talk. Hunter will be forcefed more than Smith because of the amount given up. He may also be playing 2 ways which goes against him. They're very similar builds, strength, speed...etc. One produced and the other produced for a 2 way player. One will be in an offense constantly passing once behind and the other will lean on the run. Smith has shown more as a receiver than Hunter. End story. How their careers develop will be dependent on if Hunter is truly a 2 way player. If he isn't then he will hover with a better average than Smith because of the offense. This isn't rocket science. I’m not. Hunter will be the better NFL regardless of being force fed. 1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said: And so Hunter playing both ways now is a caveat for his less than superb stats in a terrible conference. Got it. How can you give me this bitchy response and then type out that Hunter playing both ways in the NFL will affect him lmfao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TheBukafax said: I’m not. Hunter will be the better NFL regardless of being force fed. How can you give me this bitchy response and then type out that Hunter playing both ways in the NFL will affect him lmfao You're legitimately all over the place. Better player or WR? If he's playing both ways he will not ever produce a 1200+ season, so no he won't be a better WR in that instance. If he plays full time he'll out produces Smith because of the circumstances. They aren't force feeding Smith the ball. He's the 3rd option. Edited June 19 by IsntLifeFunny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 11 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: You're legitimately all over the place. Better player or WR? If he's playing both ways he will not ever produce a 1200+ season, so no he won't be a better WR in that instance. If he plays full time he'll out produces Smith because of the circumstances. They aren't force feeding Smith the ball. He's the 3rd option. I believe he will be considered both a better WR and player than Devonta Smith when their careers are done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 3 minutes ago, TheBukafax said: I believe he will be considered both a better WR and player than Devonta Smith when their careers are done. I'm genuinely confused. Do you think he's playing both ways? If he plays both ways you think he consistently puts up 1200 yard seasons? Am I getting that right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: I'm genuinely confused. Do you think he's playing both ways? If he plays both ways you think he consistently puts up 1200 yard seasons? Am I getting that right? It’s a pretty straight forward statement. Why do you keep bringing up 1200 yards being a needed threshold to be considered a better WR? I thought volume didn’t matter when determining who the better WR is. When you acknowledge the probability that Hunter will be force fed on O, you discount that forced volume to be that he won’t be better than Smith. In a situation where Hunter might get less volume from playing both ways, he needs to hit a volumetric threshold to be considered a better WR in your eyes. This is what I’ve taken away from your incongruity: WR only Hunter: Volume merchant who may have more volume but isn’t better than smith, just force fed. WR/DB Hunter: Could be good as a 2-way but needs to hit more yards than Smith on limited volume. Its biased arguing. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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