Patriots hiring Vrabel

[OILERMAN]

Just now, Downtown said:

Does Josh McDaniels come with Vrabel?

 

Who's embarrassed himself without Brady

[TerryBoats]

5 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Who's embarrassed himself without Brady

And Downing's 3 tenures as an OC has resulted in 3 GMs getting fired (2 mid-season).

 

Very unlikely that Vrabel is going to take a CEO approach like Campbell or hire good OCs like Quinn.  He'll want his hands all over the offense.

Edited January 12, 2025 by TerryBoats

[AvgJoe]

My uncle told me this a couple years back and I don’t think it could be more true:

 

Mike Vrabel is so worried about being Bill Belichick that he loses sight of his own identity. 

[ChesterCopperpot1]

41 minutes ago, TerryBoats said:

Over half of the losses in the past 2 years were by 5 or fewer points.  The team was competitive.  Only 2 games this year were that close, and they lost 8 by double digits- as many as the past 2 years combined. 

So close losses count for something other than a loss? 

[AvgJoe]

43 minutes ago, TerryBoats said:

Over half of the losses in the past 2 years were by 5 or fewer points.  The team was competitive.  Only 2 games this year were that close, and they lost 8 by double digits- as many as the past 2 years combined. 

“Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.”

-Vince Lombardi

[ChesterCopperpot1]

13 minutes ago, Downtown said:

Does Josh McDaniels come with Vrabel? The biggest problem with Vrabel in Tennessee were his hires. Nothing has changed. What's he going to do? Bring in the newly fired guys from the 3 win Browns that he now knows? Bring back Downing? He has no network.  

According to Coley Mick he’s heard McDaniels will be his OC. 
 

https://x.com/3x_the_charm/status/1878167266887352446?s=46&t=h7aDqXbroNdWf9oBZJwjZA

[Righteous]

Vrabel is the best coach this franchise has ever had.  The only people who don’t know that are the same people who say Tannehill is legend and King Henry is done.  Nothing really changes with the idiots on this board.  They are wrong about everything. 

[TerryBoats]

39 minutes ago, AvgJoe said:

“Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.”

-Vince Lombardi

Great Boomer wisdom there.  Not overly simplistic at all and totally applicable to what I said .

 

Did Kyle Shanahan suddenly become a bad coach, or were the a ton of issues beyond his control?  How about McVay when they won 5 games a season after winning the SB?  All losses count the same, but only bad owners and bad fans of bad franchises evaluate the coach solely based on the W/L number and not other factors.

[No1TitansFan]

This caricature of a manical ego driven all controlling tyrant who won't listen to anybody that Vrabel has become on this board is laughable. He has plenty of connections to draw a good staff from and has turned the offense over to 2 good OCs to the extent they eneded up with HC jobs. The one year he was DC with the Texans they were absolutely ravaged with injuries. He knows how to coach a defense. He knows the importance of creating a culture that at one time holds players accountable while also treating them like adults and putting their health and longevity over winning any one game. His time here had run out and the Titans needed to move on, but that doesn't change his ability to run a NFL team and get maximum production out of his roster.

[FireInTheHole]

I’m glad Vrabel will get a second chance, but I’m interested to see if he learns from his mistakes and lets the coordinators and coaches do their jobs instead of thinking he is big dick of everything. 
 

Im torn because I actually did like Vrabel but hated his offensive philosophy. 

[NashvilleNinja]

5 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

The Titans ended up even worse without him and that's despite many feeling that the roster improved. The defense was arguably worse but the offense didn't really get better and that's ... a surprise. The Titans were the worst team in the NFL this year and (whether or not you believe teams were really interested in Vrabel last year) the way things unfolded in Tennessee, his stature seems to have grown again. Add in the fact that the Patriots have a likely bias towards him and it looks like this truly was always his job from the moment they, probably unjustly, fired Mayo (some people have been arguing otherwise for some time now).

 

There's a lot to be said for the failings of his tenure as the roster quality dissipated but as this year proves, he was probably at least in parts scapegoated as if he was the full and real problem and everything would get better without him. It'll be interesting to see what he learned from his first time as a head coach and how his success proceeds from here.

 

More than that, it will be interesting to see how the Titans franchise fares compared to the Patriots and compared to Mike Vrable. As of right now, it would seem the majority of the NFL world truly does think that he was wronged and the Titans were wrong and our franchise has egg on their face. If Vrabel struggles again or the Titans take off from here, that'll have to be reassessed. Here's hoping it happens.

 

Vrabel is better than a 3 win coach, but is he really better than a 6-8 win coach on average?

 

Callahan has a helluva lot further room to grow than Vrabel, imo. The Patriots job is going to have a honeymoon feel for a little while for them, but watch how quick the Boston sports media will turn on him when things don't go as expected.

[NashvilleNinja]

2 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Uh, the Titans were 6-18 in Vrabel's last 24 games

 

The decline started before Callahan got here

 

People seem to have forgotten about that 7 game slide to end 2022 after starting 7-3. The Eagles game was the 2nd loss in that skid too, but they'd also gotten blown the hell out by the Bills in the 2nd game of that season too.

 

Robinson's drafting gaffes were an underlying culprit, but Vrabel did himself no favors. And I think when Tannehill's downward trend started he knew he didn't want to be here much longer, especially when he saw Levis wasn't going to pan out last year.

 

Now he gets to go to a team with a young QB he had no stake in/didn't pick. Win-win. Unless he absolutely shits the bed he'll be there for a while. He played things out pretty well and got a little lucky. Good for him. Hope we beat the fuck out of him next season and send his meatheaded ass back to Boston fuming.

[Justafan]

GM and QB are so much more important than HC. Vrabel will do well, or he will fail, based on how the FO performs, and how well Maye develops. 

[Hyperion]

He's an idiot. He actually tried for an 8-6 lead, when he had a 7-6 lead when the downside was a 6-6 tie with a defensive oriented team in the playoffs. He should have been fired on the spot for that one.

 

For a short timespan he can motivate a team. Afterwards he'll wear thin.

[TerryBoats]

34 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

 

People seem to have forgotten about that 7 game slide to end 2022 after starting 7-3. The Eagles game was the 2nd loss in that skid too, but they'd also gotten blown the hell out by the Bills in the 2nd game of that season too.

 

Robinson's drafting gaffes were an underlying culprit, but Vrabel did himself no favors. And I think when Tannehill's downward trend started he knew he didn't want to be here much longer, especially when he saw Levis wasn't going to pan out last year.

 

Now he gets to go to a team with a young QB he had no stake in/didn't pick. Win-win. Unless he absolutely shits the bed he'll be there for a while. He played things out pretty well and got a little lucky. Good for him. Hope we beat the fuck out of him next season and send his meatheaded ass back to Boston fuming.

Nobody forgot about that.  7 wins is commendable considering Willis and Dobbs were the starters for nearly 1/3 of their games, Burks was their best WR and even he was largely injured, Daley and NPF were their bookend tackles, and Landry was on IR, among a multitude of other injuries.  Yet they were a highly questionable Fumble call away from making the playoffs.  What were your expectations?