Patience and Hope

[oldschool]

7 minutes ago, rns90 said:

His coaching record?  The 2021 season especially when they had all those injuries in the second half and he won a few games that they weren’t supposed to and got the best record in the AFC.

 

He had good QB play....

[rns90]

1 minute ago, oldschool said:

 

He had good QB play....

He still managed those games to win.  This isn’t like MLB where you write out the lineup card and have limited infleunce on W/L.

[scine09]

I don't quite understand why certain Titans fans want to dislike Vrabel so much.  He was the coach over probably the second most successful period for the franchise since the move to Nashville.  He did a really good job.  Things fell apart at the end but it was a good run.

[Mythos27]

25 minutes ago, Stevenths78 said:

You haven’t provided anything but your opinion. You also said Vrabel wouldn’t help with scouting when the Browns themselves said he did for this past draft. You said Vrabel doesn’t handle the offense and that’s actually all he has thus far

I've said Vrabel doesn't make any decisions in scouting or the offense. And no, he doesn't "handle the offense" you're trying too get way too much milage out of the word "help". The guys who set up the cones for drills are "helping" but they have 0 decision-making power. That puff piece you posted seems to be aimed at making Vrabel feel better about being in a such a reduced role compared to his previous ones. 

[Stevenths78]

5 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I've said Vrabel doesn't make any decisions in scouting or the offense. And no, he doesn't "handle the offense" you're trying too get way too much milage out of the word "help". The guys who set up the cones for drills are "helping" but they have 0 decision-making power. That puff piece you posted seems to be aimed at making Vrabel feel better about being in a such a reduced role compared to his previous ones. 

I guess the GM lied then right

[Mythos27]

3 minutes ago, scine09 said:

I don't quite understand why certain Titans fans want to dislike Vrabel so much.  He was the coach over probably the second most successful period for the franchise since the move to Nashville.  He did a really good job.  Things fell apart at the end but it was a good run.

What gets me is that all of these guys thought he was not only a good coach but one of the best in the league, The only guy that was steady on Vrabel being bad was Iowa, who even after the COTY season, said Vrabel still sucked and everyone trashed him for it. He's a good football coach and if he could just stay in his damn lane he could be a great one. It also feels weird to make an age argument but the guy is only 49 years old. We've seen guys like Carrol, Belichick, and Reid get fired and then do much better in their second stint when they're older and wiser. No one here was lauding Lafleur when he was saddled with Mariota and look at how he's turned out. Yeah, shit got ugly in the end here but we've seen much worse coaches than Vrabel get a second and even third chance. Let's see how it plays out. 

[Mythos27]

Just now, Stevenths78 said:

I guess the GM lied then right

No, he didn't lie. You're making logical leaps and making more out of his words than is reasonable. You're blowing his words out of proportion to fit your narrative. 

[Stevenths78]

Just now, Mythos27 said:

No, he didn't lie. You're making logical leaps and making more out of his words than is reasonable. You're blowing his words out of proportion to fit your narrative. 

You’re telling me it is puff to fit your narrative. I thought you were better than this but stand corrected 

[MTownTitan1]

11 minutes ago, scine09 said:

I don't quite understand why certain Titans fans want to dislike Vrabel so much.  He was the coach over probably the second most successful period for the franchise since the move to Nashville.  He did a really good job.  Things fell apart at the end but it was a good run.

That’s actually sad when you think about it. He missed the playoffs 3 out of 6 years and only won 2 playoff games in 6 years. And both of those were in the same year 

[Stevenths78]

Just now, MTownTitan1 said:

That’s actually sad when you think about it. He missed the playoffs 3 out of 6 years and only won 2 playoff games in 6 years. And both of those were in the same year 

Vrabel is 2-0 in playoff games when Henry has 175 yards or more rushing and winnless in playoff games Henry did not rush for over 100 in. 

[rns90]

5 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

What gets me is that all of these guys thought he was not only a good coach but one of the best in the league, The only guy that was steady on Vrabel being bad was Iowa, who even after the COTY season, said Vrabel still sucked and everyone trashed him for it. He's a good football coach and if he could just stay in his damn lane he could be a great one. It also feels weird to make an age argument but the guy is only 49 years old. We've seen guys like Carrol, Belichick, and Reid get fired and then do much better in their second stint when they're older and wiser. No one here was lauding Lafleur when he was saddled with Mariota and look at how he's turned out. Yeah, shit got ugly in the end here but we've seen much worse coaches than Vrabel get a second and even third chance. Let's see how it plays out. 

It’s ok to admit that the guy was a good coach who won games but as time went on the flaws were exposed or became more prevalent.  It shouldn’t totally invalidate what he did here.

 

I do think he needs a strong GM and preferribly an OL in place at his next coaching stop.

[Mythos27]

Just now, Stevenths78 said:

You’re telling me it is puff to fit your narrative. I thought you were better than this but stand corrected 

Oh boy. Puff doesn't mean it's false. It just means that you're trying to make things look rosier than they are. Also, the GM didn't write the piece, the journalist did and that's the angle he chose to take. Rather than get frustrated with me, put yourself in my shoes and logically try to work through why I would believe your claim based on the evidence you've provided. You have an opinion that Vrabel has way more influence than we think. You're entitled to that opinion but once you start asking other people to share your opinion and shed theirs, you have to provide strong evidence and even though I know you think that article is strong evidence; it isn't unless someone already believes as you do. Helping with something is not the same as making consequential decisions. I'm going to need to see more evidence before I can bridge that gap. 

[Mythos27]

Just now, rns90 said:

It’s ok to admit that the guy was a good coach who won games but as time went on the flaws were exposed or became more prevalent.  It shouldn’t totally invalidate what he did here.

 

I do think he needs a strong GM and preferribly an OL in place at his next coaching stop.

We have a tendency to go scorched earth on people who leave here on bad terms. Not only did they suck when they left but they were never any good to begin with. He needs a GM that is competent and can physically beat his ass so he can't tough guy the dude into agreement. Not sure there are many men like that.  

[scine09]

13 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

What gets me is that all of these guys thought he was not only a good coach but one of the best in the league, The only guy that was steady on Vrabel being bad was Iowa, who even after the COTY season, said Vrabel still sucked and everyone trashed him for it. He's a good football coach and if he could just stay in his damn lane he could be a great one. It also feels weird to make an age argument but the guy is only 49 years old. We've seen guys like Carrol, Belichick, and Reid get fired and then do much better in their second stint when they're older and wiser. No one here was lauding Lafleur when he was saddled with Mariota and look at how he's turned out. Yeah, shit got ugly in the end here but we've seen much worse coaches than Vrabel get a second and even third chance. Let's see how it plays out. 

I assume he'll be coaching somewhere next year.  My opinion is he'd be a better coach for the Chargers whom he interviewed for than Harbaugh.  Did you see how Harbaugh bungled yesterday's game with that ridiculous challenge and then not using the challenge when he may have won it and instead using a timeout which he'd have had to use anyways if he lost the challenge?  That directly led to them losing.  That doesn't happen with Vrabel as coach.  And their philosophy is the same.  I think Vrabel as an NFL coach is significantly better than Harbaugh.  And I don't care about the Super Bowls.  They're the same coach to me with Vrabel having a better ability to manage games than Harbaugh.

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, scine09 said:

I assume he'll be coaching somewhere next year.  My opinion is he'd be a better coach for the Chargers whom he interviewed for than Harbaugh.  Did you see how Harbaugh bungled yesterday's game with that ridiculous challenge and then not using the challenge when he may have won it and instead using a timeout which he'd have had to use anyways if he lost the challenge?  That directly led to them losing.  That doesn't happen with Vrabel as coach.  And their philosophy is the same.  I think Vrabel as an NFL coach is significantly better than Harbaugh.  And I don't care about the Super Bowls.  They're the same coach to me with Vrabel having a better ability to manage games than Harbaugh.

Interesting. I'll be honest and say that I really don't know enough about Harbaugh to agree. But yeah, I'll be surprised if he doesn't get a HC job next season. Some team with a weak HC that failed will be ready to give a domineering guy a chance.