IrishTitansFan Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 People cry anti-semitism on this topic when they aren't clever enough to come up with a response Starkiller, Jamalisms, OILERMAN, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 The point is of course what Netanyahu and his regime is doing has noting to do with protecting Israeli's, if he is so worried bout protecting Israeli's we know for a fact now October 7th wouldn't have happened Of course it's never been about that Starkiller, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: I was thinking more about the Iraq war. After the fact it's well known Rumsfield said a terrorist attack would give them the cause of invade Iraq before 9-11. The Bush Admin openly lied about the WMD threat and ignored intelligence(even strong armed) saying their was no threat and then after 9-11 invaded Iraq(LOL). They had memos warning them Ben Laden planned to fly planes into US buildings. The idiot public even believed Iraq did 9-11 right afterwards: Seven in 10 Americans continue to believe that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had a role in the 11 September 2001 attacks, even though the Bush administration and congressional investigators say they have no evidence of this. The line between ignoring obvious intelligence warnings and allowing it to happen is thin and overall meaningless. Netanyahu is either grossly incompetent or took advantage of an opportunity. Either way he shouldn't be in charge or listened to. And Bush, Cheney and company should have been prosecuted Sigh. I'd be interested in hearing the "well-known Rumsfeld said a terrorist attack would give them cause to invade Iraq." Of course, the Bush admin wanted to go to war with Iraq, but there is zero, and I mean zero, that they knew 9-11 was going to happen and chose to ignore it. There were intelligence reports they failed to act on, but that's completely different from what you are suggesting. Another preposterous insinuation that is not grounded in fact. You've worked in the government for what 20-30 years? More? You know as well as I do that there is no way they were competent enough to pull something like that off and not get caught. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 It almost sounds like you're saying that we can't believe this sort of corruption exists because if it did exist then we would believe it and since we don't believe it then we can't believe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Jamalisms said: It almost sounds like you're saying that we can't believe this sort of corruption exists because if it did exist then we would believe it and since we don't believe it then we can't believe it. No. I'm saying it's dumb to believe conspiracy theories 95% of the time and in this particular case where it's been thoroughly debunked by commissioned reports, it's willful ignorance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 hours ago, IrishTitansFan said: The point is of course what Netanyahu and his regime is doing has noting to do with protecting Israeli's, if he is so worried bout protecting Israeli's we know for a fact now October 7th wouldn't have happened Of course it's never been about that Lol. Yeah, they were in a dark, smoky room saying, hey, I know what would be a good idea... let's let terrorists pull off the biggest attack on Israel since the holocaust... that will make us look competent! Then, we can rely on the sympathy of these poor palestenians raping our women - often kids - until they are mutilated before murdering them in cold blood and cutting our children's heads off as justification to bomb hospitals and schools for no reason! Muh, ha ha! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Justafan said: Sigh. but there is zero, and I mean zero, that they knew 9-11 was going to happen and chose to ignore it. I said they were warned beforehand, which they were. https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91651&page=1 May 15 -- U.S. intelligence officials warned President Bush weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network might hijack American planes Rumsfield cited a think tank study that showed a terrorist attack would give the government public support for an invasion. They got sucker Colin Powell to go before NATo and lie about the threat of WMDs. It's known at this point they used 9-11 as an excuse to lie about the threat of Iraq. There is no sigh about this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: I said they were warned beforehand, which they were. https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91651&page=1 May 15 -- U.S. intelligence officials warned President Bush weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network might hijack American planes Rumsfield cited a think tank study that showed a terrorist attack would give the government public support for an invasion. They got sucker Colin Powell to go before NATo and lie about the threat of WMDs. It's known at this point they used 9-11 as an excuse to lie about the threat of Iraq. There is no sigh about this No, you said they knowingly allowed 9-11 to happen to justify going to war. It's not the same as saying the intelligence community was too incompetent to connect all of the dots and paint a serious enough picture combined with an administration too incompetent to take threats seriously enough and then, after the attack, manipulating events to justify their war. One of those is bad, but that is absolutely what happened. The other is abominable and not rooted in reality, as shown in the 9/11 commission. Edited December 3, 2023 by Justafan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Justafan said: No, you said they knowingly allowed 9-11 to happen to justify going to war. Quote where I said this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 4 hours ago, OILERMAN said: This tactic has been used throughout history. The US has done it multiple times. you then pointed to 9/11 as your example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 hours ago, OILERMAN said: I was thinking more about the Iraq war. After the fact it's well known Rumsfield said a terrorist attack would give them the cause of invade Iraq before 9-11. The Bush Admin openly lied about the WMD threat and ignored intelligence(even strong armed) saying their was no threat and then after 9-11 invaded Iraq(LOL). They had memos warning them Ben Laden planned to fly planes into US buildings. The idiot public even believed Iraq did 9-11 right afterwards: Seven in 10 Americans continue to believe that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had a role in the 11 September 2001 attacks, even though the Bush administration and congressional investigators say they have no evidence of this. The line between ignoring obvious intelligence warnings and allowing it to happen is thin and overall meaningless. Netanyahu is either grossly incompetent or took advantage of an opportunity. Either way he shouldn't be in charge or listened to. And Bush, Cheney and company should have been prosecuted This is correct. They absolutely knew Bin Laden had assets training to fly planes into buildings. The whole 9/11 batshit crazy conspiracies tailed into a whirlwind, but they derived from a point of reference that is undeniable: our intelligence briefed the Administration and the top levels of our government and defense sector (our military is outward looking for good reason) and they did nothing. Now, the why has always been a question, but the facts themselves don't change. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted December 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) It’s long past time for massive airstrikes against Houthi positions in Yemen. Edited December 3, 2023 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 53 minutes ago, Justafan said: you then pointed to 9/11 as your example. I never said they knowingly allowed 9-11 to happen, which was your claim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: I never said they knowingly allowed 9-11 to happen, which was your claim The conversation was that Israel knew Hamas would attack and let it happen to justify their actions. You said that was a tactic the US has used in the past. You pointed to 9/11 as your example. What were you even trying to say? That they were attacked and then used that as an excuse to attack someone else? That’s not at all related to what’s happened here. Israel knows exactly who attacked them and have every justification to retaliate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Justafan said: That they were attacked and then used that as an excuse to attack someone else? Yes, that's exactly what happened. That's a far cry from saying they allowed it to happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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