IrishTitansFan Posted January 17, 2024 Report Share Posted January 17, 2024 CNN obtained images of a Hamas terrorist sawing off the head of a victim Horrific stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 18, 2024 Report Share Posted January 18, 2024 21 hours ago, IrishTitansFan said: CNN obtained images of a Hamas terrorist sawing off the head of a victim Horrific stuff The entire crisis is horrific. The part at the end about how this could inspire a whole new generation of similar ideologies is both true and terrifying. Violence begets more violence. Israel should have been much more surgical in their response, but Hamas can not be allowed to continue to exist as a political entity. Regardless, they are committed now, and there is no good way forward due to the political complexities of the players involved. IsntLifeFunny, and IrishTitansFan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 18, 2024 Report Share Posted January 18, 2024 Tough to trust anything on Elon's increasingly troubled platform and I don't have the energy to vet it more but that's the deputy editor of huffpost (per the bio, at least). Assuming it's true: When an entity goes beyond a reasonable and appropriate response all the way to the point of eliminating the existence of another nation entirely, it's hard not to say they've fully transitioned into the aggressor and the primary barrier to peace. IrishTitansFan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 18, 2024 Report Share Posted January 18, 2024 It's not difficult to understand Israel's reluctance to allow Palestinians to continue to occupy parts of Israel, given their repeated insistence on the end of the state of Israel through violence and terrorism. I don't think genocide is the answer, but it's certainly understandable that you wouldn't want your worst enemies, who just attacked you in the most brutal way imaginable, to continue to be your neighbor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 The response is far more brutal, it's just impersonal. But that's quibbling, I know what you mean. A terrorist attack and the military response, even one that goes well beyond the bounds of moderation in my opinion, aren't really the same. Justafan, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 12 hours ago, Justafan said: It's not difficult to understand Israel's reluctance to allow Palestinians to continue to occupy parts of Israel, given their repeated insistence on the end of the state of Israel through violence and terrorism. I don't think genocide is the answer, but it's certainly understandable that you wouldn't want your worst enemies, who just attacked you in the most brutal way imaginable, to continue to be your neighbor. I get it, but factually he DID want Hamas to be his neighbour, in fact he made it so He didn't want to entertain the PLA to be his neighbour peacefully It's not about protecting Israel, never has been. It's about eliminating Palestine Starkiller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 Also funny to see Netanyahu make a big deal about deciding that "From the River to the Sea" was a genocidal phrase... before using that phrase He's making it very clear to the IDF what their goal is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 1 hour ago, IrishTitansFan said: I get it, but factually he DID want Hamas to be his neighbour, in fact he made it so He didn't want to entertain the PLA to be his neighbour peacefully It's not about protecting Israel, never has been. It's about eliminating Palestine For Netanyahu, you mean? Yeah, the more stuff that comes out, the worse he looks. Starkiller, IrishTitansFan, and IsntLifeFunny 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 25 minutes ago, Justafan said: For Netanyahu, you mean? Yeah, the more stuff that comes out, the worse he looks. I doubt we get any sort of lasting solution without Hamas and their ideologies being completely eliminated and Netanyahu and his having any sort of say in whatever happens next, wishful thinking we get rid of them both but it would be helpful Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 19, 2024 Report Share Posted January 19, 2024 18 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: I doubt we get any sort of lasting solution without Hamas and their ideologies being completely eliminated and Netanyahu and his having any sort of say in whatever happens next, wishful thinking we get rid of them both but it would be helpful Absolutely, but unfortunately, I think this entire conflict has empowered the hardliners on both sides, and that is unlikely to change in the near future. Nice thought though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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heyitsmeallen Posted January 21, 2024 Report Share Posted January 21, 2024 On 1/15/2024 at 12:33 PM, Jamalisms said: We'll see. I tend to think that if you're willing to vote for Trump then nothing else really matters and if you're not going to vote for Trump then nothing else really matters. This is basically what I think too. The crazies that are going to vote for Trump are going to do so no matter what. The people that are interested in keeping the US a democratic nation will vote for Biden. Action in the Middle East won’t sway any of them either way. If this country elects Trump in after knowing what we know about him, and what he himself has said he will do if he is reelected, the country is too far gone and we deserve what we get. Justafan, OILERMAN, and IsntLifeFunny 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 An unfortunate development for anyone who was hoping for a peaceful resolution. https://nypost.com/2024/01/22/news/hamas-says-there-is-no-chance-for-release-of-hostages/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 22, 2024 Report Share Posted January 22, 2024 7 hours ago, Justafan said: An unfortunate development for anyone who was hoping for a peaceful resolution. https://nypost.com/2024/01/22/news/hamas-says-there-is-no-chance-for-release-of-hostages/ I'm not both siding this thing when I say any chance at peace will only come after Netenyahu is removed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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