Strunk'sDessert Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Starkiller said: I think that there is life on other planets. Statistically it’s a near certainty that we aren’t alone. But it’s fucking ridiculous to think they are here. Everything is too far away. The universe is fucking huge and it’s mostly empty void between galaxies and solar systems. And if these aliens had the technological wherewithal to travel millions of light years then people think they are sending balloons or drones or just joyriding around the atmosphere silently watching us? That’s stupid… Well, your last party is just being obtuse for the sake of this argument. I don't think anyone with an iota of intelligence thinks aliens are sending stupid ass balloons to visit earth And I hear your point. The universe is incomprehensible in size while expanding at ever faster speeds. So, we could all be so distance it doesn't matter. I think one factor you're not accounting for is time. Your probability is based on stats from here and now, not the fact that the universe is what, 25B years old? Earth only started to support native life 2B years ago? Humans 200k years? Those are monstrous numbers for others places to develop in space, time, tech, etc. Again, healthy skeptic, just pointing out some things as a devil's advocate. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Strunk'sDessert said: Well, your last party is just being obtuse for the sake of this argument. I don't think anyone with an iota of intelligence thinks aliens are sending stupid ass balloons to visit earth And I hear your point. The universe is incomprehensible in size while expanding at ever faster speeds. So, we could all be so distance it doesn't matter. I think one factor you're not accounting for is time. Your probability is based on stats from here and now, not the fact that the universe is what, 25B years old? Earth only started to support native life 2B years ago? Humans 200k years? Those are monstrous numbers for others places to develop in space, time, tech, etc. Again, healthy skeptic, just pointing out some things as a devil's advocate. It's the brow beating I'm not a fan of here. This was an open hearing with 3 accredited members of the military. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strunk'sDessert Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 Yeah, it's a fine line of being open minded and a skeptic, but an important line to tow. If someone tells me of a virgin birth, gonna have a hard time with it. If schizophrenic aunt Karen is running from little green men, hard pass. But sometimes people are telling the truth, even if it's hard to digest. The atom bomb was incomprehensible 80 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Strunk'sDessert said: Well, your last party is just being obtuse for the sake of this argument. I don't think anyone with an iota of intelligence thinks aliens are sending stupid ass balloons to visit earth there were literally people saying that when we were shooting down balloons for days after the whole China spy balloon fiasco. 2 minutes ago, Strunk'sDessert said: And I hear your point. The universe is incomprehensible in size while expanding at ever faster speeds. So, we could all be so distance it doesn't matter. I think one factor you're not accounting for is time. Your probability is based on stats from here and now, not the fact that the universe is what, 25B years old? Earth only started to support native life 2B years ago? Humans 200k years? Those are monstrous numbers for others places to develop in space, time, tech, etc. Again, healthy skeptic, just pointing out some things as a devil's advocate. Again, I’m actually completely open to the idea of aliens. I fully believe they are out there. But we have spent decades seeing fake UFO photos/videos and people claiming to have been abducted. Why does anyone still believe this bullshit with no evidence? And video evidence that isn’t explained is NOT EVIDENCE OF ALIENS. Aliens are not the default answer to something we can’t explain anymore than god is. We know some of it is tricks of the light. We know many UFO reports back in the day was due to classified stealth technology. These things are largely mundane (compared to ET, at least). It’s just human nature to jump to these kinds of conclusions. Don’t get me wrong, believing in aliens is pretty harmless compared to the Qanon bullshit and other right wing conspiracy theories. I used to be fascinated as a kid by UFOs, Area 51, The Bermuda Triangle, the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, etc. But decades of people researching this stuff hasn’t turned up a an ounce of actual evidence. Art Bell could put together an entertaining broadcast, but other than ad revenue he never turned up anything of value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I'm trying to tell you that evidence was discussed from a firsthand witness and other first hand accounts were also discussed. You do understand first hand accounts are considered evidence, yes? No? It would seem you do not. Once again, and from here going forward I'm actually going to ignore you lol. You're adding nothing because you're speaking wholly from a place of ignorance about this specific hearing. First hand accounts of seeing something they can’t explain is NOT evidence of aliens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Starkiller said: First hand accounts of seeing something they can’t explain is NOT evidence of aliens It's evidence of something unexplainable, which is what is being discussed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strunk'sDessert Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Starkiller said: there were literally people saying that when we were shooting down balloons for days after the whole China... Yes, they are fucking dumbasses, which I don't think we'll have in this convo unless Little Earl shows up. Due to plenty of evidence I don't believe dumbasses, even if they show up in the senate I think your point about Bigfoot, theology, etc. is interesting - one that I've grappled with as well. At the end of the day, theology is a philosophy, not a science. Bigfoot is a rare subset of zoology and phylogenetics that has fallen off drastically in the past two decades. Meanwhile, some of the brightest minds on this planet are still studying cosmology, our origins, theoretical mathematics and physics with big money behind them and top universities behind them. That pronounces something towards the viability. Not proof, only viability. Starkiller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strunk'sDessert Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 Again, not here to argue, but I do think it's a fascinating topic that seems to hit people in different ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...yes yes we all get it. Now, as to the claims Grusch: these spacecraft have been found and held. They have been found with non-human biogenics. Money has been siphoned off from congress for these projects. He's interviewed 40 witnesses inside of this/these departments over the past four years as part of his job working for the military. Farvor: I encountered this technology myself as a pilot. I watched them do things unexplainable. I interacted with the technology in the air. All of our radar backs this up (evidence of UAP). I have detailed reports from everyone involved. Graves: I encountered different tech than Farve, but it was similar in that it was technology that is impossible as far as I understand. It showed zero signs of a propulsion system and had the ability to stop and start at will in any direction. I have 100s of accounts of this from other pilots, several who were under me as ranking member. SK: where's the evidence! heyitsmeallen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Strunk'sDessert said: Yes, they are fucking dumbasses, which I don't think we'll have in this convo unless Little Earl shows up. Due to plenty of evidence I don't believe dumbasses, even if they show up in the senate I think your point about Bigfoot, theology, etc. is interesting - one that I've grappled with as well. At the end of the day, theology is a philosophy, not a science. Bigfoot is a rare subset of zoology and phylogenetics that has fallen off drastically in the past two decades. Meanwhile, some of the brightest minds on this planet are still studying cosmology, our origins, theoretical mathematics and physics with big money behind them and top universities behind them. That pronounces something towards the viability. Not proof, only viability. No, his argument this is akin to Bigfoot is on its face completely fucking absurd. This is a known phenomenon that is unexplainable. There is a massive difference between unexplainable and fairy tales. His staunch belief in atheism is clouding his judgement here. Don't give him an out. He sounds like an idiot in this thread and should delete his posts. I'm only halfway kidding about deleting his posts, as I will enjoy getting to laugh at how wrong he is to take this line when 3 military members in an open forum under Oath are talking about their experiences in that which they have a high degree of expertise. Yet he wants to not listen to it and then discount it off-hand as bullshit. It's the opposite of what anyone involved with the idea of science would do. He's showing himself as that which he hates and it's kind of funny tbh. Edited July 31, 2023 by IsntLifeFunny WG53 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strunk'sDessert Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 To point towards the testimony (good redirect) what are the benefits of these men lying on the stand in front of the country? There's really no benefit outside of 15 minutes of fame and a ton of recourse if they're lying - maybe moreso if they're not lying. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) Well I’m open to any evidence that they can produce… Am I going to take these people at their word? Of course not. People lie. People are easily confused by something they can’t immediately explain. People psychologically want to fill in gaps in their knowledge with fantastical explanations and are prone to believing in conspiracies. Hell, I’m all for digging into this money being siphoned out of military budgets. There’s going to be a provable paper trail. Follow the money and see where it goes. But dollars to donuts it’s not going to someone researching alien bodies or spacecraft. It’s going to defense contractors. Is there video of these objects? Release it all to the public. Let the experts try to debunk it all like they did 2 years ago. Edited July 31, 2023 by Starkiller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Strunk'sDessert said: To point towards the testimony (good redirect) what are the benefits of these men lying on the stand in front of the country? There's really no benefit outside of 15 minutes of fame and a ton of recourse if they're lying - maybe moreso if they're not lying. They have next to nothing to gain. Grusch must have said 100 times in 2 hours he could only discuss many details in a classified setting and all but pleaded to get to a SKIFF hearing. All 3 are in good standing with the military and have operated under the proper procedures to get to this place even as 2 being whistle-blowers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Starkiller said: Well I’m open to any evidence that can produce… Am I going to take these people at their word? Of course not. People lie. People are easily confused by something they can’t immediately explain. People psychologically want to fill in gaps in their knowledge with fantastical explanations and are prone to believing in conspiracies. Hell, I’m all for digging into this money being siphoned out of military budgets. There’s going to be a provable paper trail. Follow the money and see where it goes. But dollars to donuts it’s not going to someone researching alien bodies or spacecraft. It’s going to defense contractors. Is there video of these objects? Release it all to the public. Let the experts try to debunk it all like they did 2 years ago. Would have been much nicer if you started from here. I lean more towards it being more unexplainable than just defense contractors, but I appreciate and agree with the skepticism and even a bit of hostility towards the witnesses, especially Grusch. One of the Reps from Missouri asked him how it is we can believe something can traverse the galaxy/universe and then have such a tough time keeping itself airborne on earth to the tune of dozens of crashes. It was probably the best question I heard in the entire hearing. Give it a listen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strunk'sDessert Posted July 31, 2023 Report Share Posted July 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Is there video of these objects? Release it all to the public. Let the experts try to debunk it all like they did 2 years ago. Legitimate question: were all the findings released last year by the counsel totally and openly disproven? I found several hypothesis on different videos from experts, but no conclusions. Which is why I thought this was still a discussion in congress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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