Trump Indicted By DC Grand Jury

[Titandan]

21 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

A jury of 12 found him guilty. We don't need anything explained 

If it's a jury of 12 active TR members, we're in big trouble.  Don't come crying to me when our country turns into a shit hole. 

 

But I will accept admission of being on the wrong side of history though.  

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 hour ago, Titandan said:

 

 

But I will accept admission of being on the wrong side of history though.  

Just as you are now.

[MadMax]

Please stop quoting Товарищ Дэн.  I can just see the Kremlin paying him per quote, much like advertisers pay for clicks on ads.

[Titandan]

9 hours ago, Starkiller said:

Errors? It’s called financial fraud. And we aren’t talking about penny ante shit, we are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars worth of fraud. You don’t accidentally make errors in the hundreds of millions of dollars…

 

And yes, presidents give orders that kill lots of people in a war. That didn’t make it a crime. 

American Citizens have the right to due process of law before execution.  Even presidents aren't allowed to circumvent this. 

[Titandan]

Who's Товарищ Дэн?

 

What's this gibberish?? 

Edited September 30, 2024 by Titandan

[Titandan]

7 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Just as you are now.

I acknowledge that I can be wrong again.  But I'm 95% sure I learned from my mistakes in the past.  That's why I have the anti-war stance that I have now.  

BTW, I'm not convinced that the Democrat presidential counterparts back in the day would not have gone to war since Clinton, Biden, and Kerry all supported the Iraq War effort.  If that's the case, I would have either not voted for anyone or just vote for Bush anyway as a lesser of the evils.  

[Starkiller]

25 minutes ago, Titandan said:

American Citizens have the right to due process of law before execution.  Even presidents aren't allowed to circumvent this. 

Anwar Al-Awlaki was a member of Al Qaeda and considered a direct threat to the US who was involved in attacks on Americans. Despite being an American citizen, there was no way to bring him to justice to stand trial for his crimes. So in these specific circumstances, the government decided they had the authority to kill him like they would any other terrorist threat. 

[Titandan]

29 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

Anwar Al-Awlaki was a member of Al Qaeda and considered a direct threat to the US who was involved in attacks on Americans. Despite being an American citizen, there was no way to bring him to justice to stand trial for his crimes. So in these specific circumstances, the government decided they had the authority to kill him like they would any other terrorist threat. 

Interesting how you are such a stickler for legal matters when it comes to Trump but when it comes to Obama, you're so lenient, cool, and easy going.  Funny how that works.

Doesn't Anwar still deserve a chance to explain his position?  I guess we'll never know... 

Many of the mass school shooters were identified by the FBI as a threat long before they went on their rampage.  In these circumstances, the often neglect in arresting these disturbed individuals.  I think they should arrest them and figure out if they are indeed a threat to their communities. I believe Anwar deserves the same treatment, no?  

[Starkiller]

5 hours ago, Titandan said:

Interesting how you are such a stickler for legal matters when it comes to Trump but when it comes to Obama, you're so lenient, cool, and easy going.  Funny how that works.

Doesn't Anwar still deserve a chance to explain his position?  I guess we'll never know... 

I would have no problem with him surrendering himself to US authorities and having his day in court. But he wouldn’t do that.
 

And his videos “explained his position” of telling Muslims to kill Americans quite clearly. 

[Titandan]

5 hours ago, Starkiller said:

I would have no problem with him surrendering himself to US authorities and having his day in court. But he wouldn’t do that.
 

And his videos “explained his position” of telling Muslims to kill Americans quite clearly. 

Let's just get the police to go around shooting every citizen who's a potential criminal and say they wouldn't agree to subpoena anyway so we killed them.  I hate islamic terrorists as much as the next guy but precedent should mean something. 

Edited September 30, 2024 by Titandan

[IsntLifeFunny]

Anyone bringing up a one-off situation from ten plus years ago as a strawman to defend Trump can eat a dick. 

 

And for the record, the Anwar situation and him not closing Guantanamo are why I voted for Rob Paul over Obama.

[Titandan]

51 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Anyone bringing up a one-off situation from ten plus years ago as a strawman to defend Trump can eat a dick. 

 

And for the record, the Anwar situation and him not closing Guantanamo are why I voted for Rob Paul over Obama.

How about going after what Trump did 30 years ago?  

Good of you to vote for Ron Paul.  If Rand Paul were on the Republican Ticket, I'd more enthusiastically vote for him over Trump.  Who do you think is closer to Ron Paul?  Trump or Obama/Biden/Harris? 

Separate the person and the policy because chances are, none of us will ever meet Trump. But policies will affect each and every one of us.  Who's policies are on the side of protecting liberty, free speech, stopping endless wars, fixing economic problems, transparency in government efficiency (new role for Musk), lower taxes (so you can dictate what you use more of your money), etc. 

I will keep bringing it to the things that makes our lives better or worse.

It's not even close. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

Harris is clearly closer to Ron Paul because she believes the government should not be intruding into people's every day lives. His understanding of fiscal conservatism would obviously be very different, but then again Trump ran up more debt that any other president in 4 years so he isn't one of those either. 

[Titandan]

1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Harris is clearly closer to Ron Paul because she believes the government should not be intruding into people's every day lives. His understanding of fiscal conservatism would obviously be very different, but then again Trump ran up more debt that any other president in 4 years so he isn't one of those either. 

Forced Medicare: Will she repeal and replace Obamacare?  Especially individual mandate?  Government should have no say in whether or not I need medical insurance.  Obama will be one of the people she answers to.  I doubt she'll touch Obamacare. 

 

2nd Amendment: Will she REALLY not opt for Mandatory Gun Buybacks?   She flipped on this just recently and started talking like a proud NRA member lol!  Chances are that she won't touch our guns but honestly, I don't trust people who are willing to flip on such an issue for the sake of being more electable. 

Free Speech: She's on video saying that she will use the Department of Justice to hold social media platforms "accountable" in censoring hate speech, "cyber warfare," or "misinformation."  And who exactly are the arbiters of truth?  Sound like freedom to you, bud?  If there are cyber terrorists or if someone is a threat to democracy, I want everything they write to be on these platforms to be used against them instead of muzzling them so they can plot something more insidious.

Censorship is a tool tyrants use to stop those with superior ideas.  Her unelected ass is the true threat to democracy.  The First Amendment is the foundation of freedom.  It applies to the Proud Boys just as much as it does to Black Lives Matter. It applies to communists just as it does to anarcho-capitalists. Let both extremes duke it out and to the victor goes the spoils.  You can't be pro censorship and pro freedom. Sorry but it just doesn't work.  
 

And censoring trans books in elementary school libraries is something completely different. The parents should dictate when they want to have the conversation to their own kids about the birds and the bees and the gay bees and trans birds.  If the parents are not happy with their kids being taught that, that should be up to the parent to decide. 

Harris also talked about taxing unrealized capital gains tax and raising taxes in general as well as corporate taxes.  I'd rather have more money so I can invest more so for financial freedom. I'm much more efficient with my money management than the government is.  Why the hell would I give them more control of my money so that I could get a tiny fraction of it back in services? 

Anyway, if you know any of Harris' policies that are more pro-freedom than Trump's, please enlighten me.

[IsntLifeFunny]

Trump just said Fox News shouldn't be allowed to air Harris' video and that people should be jailed for talking about the Supreme Court. Fuck out of here dum dum.